Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 04 Mar 2019, 04:57

Wasn't it A$95m for the lot?

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Mar 2019, 05:14

Like the man said: DoanDoMath in Public otherwise MathDebate ensues. Where did $1.15 Bill enter? Weird Science eh.

weasel1962 · by **weasel1962** » 04 Mar 2019, 06:12

Its always convenient (and sometimes correct) to blame the auditors (not forgetting the media folk who then twists what they don't understand into something else).

http://www.oag-bvg.gc.ca/internet/Engli ... 43201.html

In December 2017, the government announced its intention to buy 18 Australian F/A-18s and spare parts. National Defence determined that the Australian F/A-18s, which are similar in age and design to the CF-18s, could be modified to be nearly identical to Canada’s fleet. The total estimated cost was CAN$471 million to buy and modify these aircraft and an additional CAN$558 million to operate them until 2032.

I think some folks misread it to mean the Canadians actually modified the aircraft, which they did not appear to do. Thank the auditors for that confusion. The actual purchase cost was "up to" A$95million. As to operational cost, that would have to apply so long as a plane is flying. The only way to avoid that cost is not to have any aircraft.

steve2267 · by **steve2267** » 04 Mar 2019, 06:40

weasel1962 wrote:Wasn't it A$95m for the lot?

I have no idea. And I'm not trying to do any maths... I'm just quoting Billie Flynn's tweet.... :mrgreen:

(Perhaps $1.15B comes from total purchase from Aussieland + costs of all modifications / re-work that will be required?)

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Mar 2019, 06:43

steve2267 wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:Wasn't it A$95m for the lot?

I have no idea. And I'm not trying to do any maths... I'm just quoting Billie Flynn's tweet....

(Perhaps $1.15B comes from total purchase from Aussieland + costs of all modifications / re-work that will be required?)

Somewhere lately in this thread the total for everything was around 500 million IIRC. See page 342 this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=24027&p=411718&hilit=project#p411718

steve2267 · by **steve2267** » 04 Mar 2019, 06:56

Hey... again... I'm just quoting Billie. He be a good ol' boy test pilot. He must know something, right? :mrgreen:

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 04 Mar 2019, 07:26

I'm just quoting a quote quote quoth I - by this stage SEVERELY disinterested. Canadian Govmnt has caused me enuf grief.

XanderCrews · by **XanderCrews** » 08 Mar 2019, 05:34

Think all the well known Aussies that have been been bashing the program all these years will deduct the Canadian money in all their little cost analyses?

optimist · by **optimist** » 08 Mar 2019, 07:43

Normally we have to pay to scrap our old stuff or give it away to indo. I still don't think it will stop clown club for walking around the desert with metal detectors. Looking for the buried f-111s, to make a 6th gen out of them. :mrgreen:

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 16 Mar 2019, 05:54

Just when youse thought it was safe.... The ARROW Operating Instructions for Pilots. 151 pages of Canadian Maple Syrup.

http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/20 ... ating.html
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https://docdro.id/TX0irE0 (PDF 5.3Mb) However a TEXT READABLE version attached below. Thank you Mr. SpazSinbad. :roll:

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 16 Mar 2019, 13:10

Won't be long before Super Arrow rumors are floated. Should be good for another 300 page thread

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 16 Mar 2019, 13:39

https://www.docdroid.net/TX0irE0/arrow- ... ctions.pdf OR https://docdro.id/TX0irE0

mixelflick · by **mixelflick** » 17 Mar 2019, 12:44

I've said it before elsewhere, but the F-15EX is perfect for Canada.

Big, carries an incredible array of air to air weapons, long legs, exceptional radar/sensors and a 20,000 hour airframe life. Precisely what Canada needs for air defense, and swing role lends itself to meeting its NATO obligations.

Plus, who flies their jets longer than Canada? 20,000 hour life suits them perfectly. It'll be expensive, but no aircraft they buy will be inexpensive. Sure, I'd like to see them get the F-35. But the politics/drama and how they run their fighter acquisition process makes India look competent.

F-15EX is right up their alley!

magitsu · by **magitsu** » 17 Mar 2019, 15:31

It is indeed perfect, because Canada has shown propensity of falling prey to dubious schemes. :wink:

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 17 Mar 2019, 15:54

But says BERTHa BUTt (one of the BUTt Sistas) is the F-15EXtraordinaire NOT a BOING! contraption - CONNIPTIONS suh.