Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post14 May 2022, 16:15

They say they are.

All liberal governments say they are more transparent than a pane of glass.

Seems to me they are really more like a pain in the glass.
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Unread post14 May 2022, 16:36

pushoksti wrote:
usafr wrote:Anyone have a link to the Canadian government report on the results of the completion that lead to the selection of the F-35?

Denamrk released a report. Switzerland released a report. Finland released report. Where is the report from Canada?


You think this government is open and transparent? :lmao:


@pushoksti... I will give you an executive summary of Canada's F-35 report.

US Goverment: "Buy F-35's or get kicked out of NORAD and NATO."

Justin Trudea: "Can I use the F-35's to take selfies?"

Lockheed Marin: "The Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) can take selfies from 90 Kilometets away."

Justin Trudeau: "Perfect, we will take 85."
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Unread post16 May 2022, 23:10

Interesting and kinda fun this video:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post17 May 2022, 09:22

Surprisingly interesting video indeed. Right amount of local content, history and F-35 kevlar mold jagged panel hands-on wondering.
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Unread post16 Jun 2022, 15:58

Troublemaker Brown. 8) He did not talk about Ferrari or MR-X this time.
https://www.airforcemag.com/brown-visit ... tion-f-35/
Brown Visits Counterparts in Canada to Talk Arctic, NORAD Modernization, F-35
June 13, 2022 | By Greg Hadley
Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr. made a trip across the northern border, meeting Royal Canadian Air Force officials in Ottawa to discuss some of the key issues between the two services.
During the June 8-9 visit, Brown met with his RCAF counterpart, Lieutenant-General Al Meinzinger, and RCAF Chief of Fighter Capability Maj. Gen. Sylvain Ménard. The leaders discussed steps to modernize and increase coordination across NORAD “to provide continuous monitoring and surveillance capability,” a USAF release said.

Modernizing NORAD has been an area of interest for years now but got a boost in November 2021, when U.S. Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III and Canadian National Defense Minister Harjit Sajjan released a joint statement outlining their priorities for the effort, including better, more integrated command and control systems, investments in situational awareness, research and development, and capabilities to defeat aerospace threats.
In particular, that joint statement highlighted the need for “next-generation over-the-horizon radar systems that can dramatically improve early warning and persistent surveillance of North American airspace and approaches” to replace the aging North Warning System.

Details on that next-generation system have not been officially announced, but the Ottawa Citizen reported in April that Royal Canadian Air Force officers had briefed industry officials about plans to spend $1 billion on a new radar system to be built in southern Canada with over-the-horizon capabilities.
Also during Brown’s visit to Canada, RCAF officials raised the importance of the Arctic region, emphasizing how their country’s “insights have been vital to identifying new opportunities for cooperation.”

The U.S. and Canada have frequently collaborated in Arctic exercises and efforts. As the region becomes more and more contested by both Russia and China, and as the effects of climate change open it up for more competition, USAF has defined a strategy for the region and promised more investments.
“We are committed to working with the Royal Canadian Air Force on modernizing NORAD and on Arctic security to meet modern challenges in defense of North America,” Brown said in the statement. “Our continued collaboration is helping better prepare us to meet future challenges in the region together. I’m grateful for our partnership and look forward to building on our productive talks.”

During those discussions, Brown also “further welcomed” Canada’s decision to buy the F-35, the USAF readout states.
The Canadian government picked the F-35 in March as the preferred bidder for its next fighter jet, announcing plans to buy 88 of the fifth-generation aircraft. Deliveries would be slated to start in 2025.

However, the final contracts with Lockheed Martin have not been signed as negotiations are ongoing, and according to Global News, Procurement Minister Filomena Tassi has warned that it is not guaranteed that a deal will be reached. Canada’s history with the F-35 is a fraught one. Initial plans from 2010 to buy 65 of the jets became a political issue, and then-candidate for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau promised on the campaign trail in 2015 to cancel any F-35 orders.

Now in office, Trudeau and his government have reversed course, but critics say they remain frustrated by the delays.
Brown, for his part, “noted that the increased capabilities and interoperability afforded by a common platform would bolster the continental defense partnership,” according to the USAF release. Should Canada finalize a deal for F-35s, it would join the U.S., Finland, Norway, and Denmark as Arctic nations that either operate or have agreed to buy F-35s.

We cannot let our guard down until the very end. :doh:
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Unread post21 Jun 2022, 08:57

Canada requires first nine fully operational F-35 jets no later than 2027 [THAT'll SHOW 'EM who's boss :doh: ]
Other allies are ahead of Canada in line for the jets and there are still unresolved technical issues with the F-35.
20 Jun 2022 David Pugliese

"...Procurement Minister Filomena Tassi has publicly stated the first of the stealth fighters could come as early as 2025. But the mandatory delivery criteria Lockheed Martin agreed to as part of its winning bid stipulates, “the 9th fully mission capable future fighter platform will be delivered no earlier than 1 December 2025 and no later than 1 December 2027.”...

...The 88th fully operational aircraft would have to be delivered to Canada no later than Dec. 31, 2031, according to the documents outlining the mandatory bid requirements....

...Some defence industry observers have questioned whether Lockheed Martin will be able to meet Canada’s delivery schedule as other allies are ahead in line for the jets and there are still unresolved technical issues with the F-35...."

Source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... -than-2027
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Unread post21 Jun 2022, 10:07

I guess that is what happens when you sign up in 2002 and order in 2022
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Unread post21 Jun 2022, 16:53

spazsinbad wrote:
Canada requires first nine fully operational F-35 jets no later than 2027...

...Some defence industry observers have questioned whether Lockheed Martin will be able to meet Canada’s delivery schedule as other allies are ahead in line for the jets and there are still unresolved technical issues with the F-35...."

Source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... -than-2027


1- There's one thing that I'm pretty sure of:
If Canada selected the Gripen E (thankfully not!) then there would be next to zero chance to receive nine (9) of such fully operational aircraft! :roll:

2- Moreover by 2025 the F-35 already reached full production rate so I don't foresee any problems in getting 9 F-35's in 2027.
Common, this is like requiring a period of 4 months to build a single (1) Canadian F-35!

Guess that these "some defence industry observers" chose to ignore these two facts. Maybe they are on Saab's payroll?? :roll:
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post21 Jun 2022, 17:12

Since the USAF procurement rate of F-35As have decreased, maybe that will allow quicker deliveries to foreign customers to fill those slots? LM's plant clearly has the production capacity to do so.

Also a fun fact, Sukhoi's production goal for Su-57s is eventually 12 aircraft a year starting next year or so. We're literally making more F-35s in a month than Russians make Su-57s in a year.
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