Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post23 Apr 2022, 00:24

Jesus Christ, this David Pugliese is really an idiot as a journalist! This guy is really, really pathetic with his anti-F-35 rhetoric. He even goes to the point of attacking Billie Flynn calling him a "conspiracy theorist". This is too bad to be true. Read here:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/analysis ... -new-phase

There's indeed people that cannot recognize when they are wrong even when the truth hits them on the face!

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“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post23 Apr 2022, 00:36

The guy is a hack and a knob.
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Unread post23 Apr 2022, 00:52

pushoksti wrote:The guy is a hack and a knob.


Absolutely!!
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post23 Apr 2022, 01:33

LOL :doh:


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Unread post23 Apr 2022, 02:04

Reminds me of APA Air Power Australia Analysis eye-balling the outer mold line of the F-35 to tell us it was NOT STEALTH.
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Unread post03 May 2022, 03:45

Failure to communicate: Did Lockheed miss the mark when pitching the F-35 to Canada?
27 Jan 2022 CHRIS THATCHER [LONG article - a 7 page PDF attached]

"...In its debut at Exercise Red Flag in 2017, the F-35 recorded a kill ratio of 20:1 against fourth generation aircraft, according to the U.S. Air Force. Flynn said the real number was much higher. “The best I ever had on my very best day was two to one,” he noted of participation in the exercise in 4th gen fighters. “When you start winning at 20 to one, that is a complete game changer. The F-35 is an extraordinarily survivable airplane.”

Strangely, perhaps, given the permanent basing of F-35As at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska, the aircraft strengths in NORAD operations have failed to connect with Canadians. Both Boeing and Saab have been more successful telling an Arctic story, Flynn noted. He even posed in a Winnipeg Jets jersey in a climatic chamber at -40 C (-40 F) during the F-35’s cold weather testing to make a point.

“We tried to tell the Arctic story, we talked about the climatic chamber often and the special icing tests that pilots would see in North Bay or Bagotville. But Boeing was better at telling their story than I was. I don’t think that we convinced a lot of people.”

Canadians don’t tend to see the vast and sparsely populated Arctic as a threat vector – Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) leaders have often joked they would first have to rescue anyone who chose to invade through the North – but Flynn and Lockheed tried to explain the power of the F-35’s networked sensor technology to protect across such open space with limited assets. He tried repeatedly to demonstrate “how it wasn’t just one aircraft with a radar looking out over the Polar icecap at Russia; it was four to eight F-35s with all their sensors looking hundreds of kilometers away. You actually have a chance to protect Arctic airspace with that sensor coverage that is orders of magnitude beyond what fourth generation fighters are capable of.”

In fact, the F-35’s exceptional sensor capabilities and data fusion have been a tougher sell than might be expected. The aircraft offers seamless integration and interoperability, Flynn believes, “not just with other fifth gen fighters, but within the broader CAF context; with the future surface combatant; with the future multi-mission aircraft; with remotely piloted aircraft; with space assets; with battle commanders at NORAD with the terabytes of data that are gathered every time an F-35 flies. The future of NORAD joint domain operations is dependent on platforms like the F-35 gathering data; they are not just there as a kinetic weapons platform, but also as sponges for electronic intelligence. As an ISR platform, the F-35 is unmatched.”

The F-35 may also be better suited to the revolutionary transformation the RCAF anticipates in its future aircrew and fighter lead-in training programs. But that message, too, has had minimal traction beyond the Air Force. Flynn has seen the U.S. Marine Corps adapt for “independent decision-making” in its tactical flying because of how the F-35 operates.

“An F-35 pilot is expected to contribute to the effectiveness and survivability of an entire four-ship as an equal member of the formation,” he said. “That is entirely different than how the relationship between flight leads and wingmen has been since the Red Baron days of the First World War. There is a hierarchical approach to fighter pilot flying in the conventional forces where in the four-ship cases, the flight lead is in charge, he has a wingman, and the No. 3 is the deputy lead, and is in charge of his wingman, No. 4. And the wingmen’s job is just supporting the formation.

“With the F-35, the formation will not survive unless all four members contribute and think independently. The Marine Corps learned early on that they couldn’t have No. 2 and No. 4 asking permission from their flight leads to execute their tasks. The wingmen needed to be given permission and assume responsibility as independent members of the formation. And the Marines evolved their F-35 tactics, they were forced to reassess how they develop pilots. This new way of flying is so different that it drives you to train pilots differently from the beginning of their pilot education. Highly advanced fighters like the F-35 are driving a revolution in pilot training.”..."

Source: https://skiesmag.com/news/did-lockheed- ... 35-canada/
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Unread post03 May 2022, 05:27

ricnunes wrote:Jesus Christ, this David Pugliese is really an idiot as a journalist! This guy is really, really pathetic with his anti-F-35 rhetoric. He even goes to the point of attacking Billie Flynn calling him a "conspiracy theorist". This is too bad to be true. Read here:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/analysis ... -new-phase

There's indeed people that cannot recognize when they are wrong even when the truth hits them on the face!

:doh: :doh: :doh:

It's just clickbait, he has kids to feed.
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Unread post03 May 2022, 19:43

optimist wrote:It's just clickbait, he has kids to feed.


No, this is more than just clickbait, believe me.
He indeed (and for some odd/obscure reason) has an "Anti-F-35 agenda".
I've been more or less following his "Defence Watch" blog in the Ottawa Citizen news outlet and during all these years everytime some Anti-F-35 came up (no matter from where) he would instantly post it but everytime a positive news about the F-35 came up, he would never post it. For instance he never reported the facts that the F-35 won in Switzerland, Finland and Germany.
Also when Canada selected the F-35 (on the past 28th of March) and thus when basically every Canadian news outlet posted the news about this, he instead posted an article entitled:
"Government communications strategy designed two years ago to justify F-35 purchase"
which you can read in the link below:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... 5-purchase
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post03 May 2022, 21:51

search.php?keywords=Pugliese&terms=all&author=&fid%5B%5D=65&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=-1&t=0&submit=Search
JUst for the JUSTin Trudeau EFFect one can search the F-35 forum for author for earlier articles meanwhile from above:
Government communications strategy designed two years ago to justify F-35 purchase
28 Mar 2022 David Pugliese

"...The Liberal government announced Monday that Canada was entering into negotiations with the U.S. and Lockheed Martin to purchase 88 F-35s in a deal that could cost up to $19 billion.

Procurement Minister Filomena Tassi and Defence Minister Anita Anand were peppered with questions from journalists about the Liberal government’s previous promise not to buy the F-35. “We’re in a different place today,” Tassi said.

In early 2020 National Defence officials came up with a communications strategy on how to deal with questions from the media who might point out that “elected officials have said Canada will not buy the F-35.”

The answer avoided dealing with the direct statements from the Liberals that the F-35 would not be purchased. Instead the focus was on the procurement process itself. “The government has noted it would not proceed with a sole-source contract to purchase F-35s, rather it would hold an open and transparent competition, which has been launched,” the talking points noted.

Tassi used the same argument Monday, ignoring Trudeau’s 2015 and June 2016 statements and instead focusing on the Liberal government’s announcement in November 2016 that it would hold a competition for a new jet. “We are here today following through on that commitment that we have made in 2016,” she noted.

The Liberals now say the F-35 is the best plane at the best price for Canada. A contract is expected by the end of the year for the stealth jets. Deliveries would start in 2025...."

Source: https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... 5-purchase
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Unread post04 May 2022, 00:52

ricnunes wrote:
optimist wrote:It's just clickbait, he has kids to feed.


No, this is more than just clickbait, believe me.
He indeed (and for some odd/obscure reason) has an "Anti-F-35 agenda".
I've been more or less following his "Defence Watch" blog in the Ottawa Citizen news outlet and during all these years everytime some Anti-F-35 came up (no matter from where) he would instantly post it but everytime a positive news about the F-35 came up, he would never post it. For instance he never reported the facts that the F-35 won in Switzerland, Finland and Germany.
Also when Canada selected the F-35 (on the past 28th of March) and thus when basically every Canadian news outlet posted the news about this, he instead posted an article entitled:
"Government communications strategy designed two years ago to justify F-35 purchase"
which you can read in the link below:
https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... 5-purchase

There is a market for negative stories. It fed Bill Sweetman for years.
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Unread post04 May 2022, 01:05

Anyone have a link to the Canadian government report on the results of the completion that lead to the selection of the F-35?

Denamrk released a report. Switzerland released a report. Finland released report. Where is the report from Canada?
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Unread post04 May 2022, 03:14

ALL PEEPS concerned with Canukian F-35 report were muzzled beforehand along with any hangers on so... we wait & wait.
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Unread post07 May 2022, 22:56

Very few of the 37 million Canadians (who don’t really care about defense) ever ask about how far advancements in technology have transformed the conduct of warfare, right up until Putin invaded Ukraine. That wake-up call made the average Canadian aware that a true, unstable actor existed and that even in the Canadian heartland, all was not safe.

For 15+ years, instead of talking about advancements in military technology and the revolution of capabilities, we were stuck debating 1 versus 2 engines on a fighter, stealth or not, drag chutes or not, and recently Swedish versus American technology, Ikea versus Walmart (ok…maybe a bad example).


https://billieflynn.com/top-10-reasons- ... t-century/

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Unread post12 May 2022, 00:08


Top 10 Reasons Why Canada Needs the F-35: #6: Cost
Published on: May 11, 2022

What does a fighter jet cost? A lot. How much is a lot? As much as it takes to defend a country and have the capability and capacity to fight and win a war. And as much as it costs to ensure that our men and women come home safely every time they fly.

How much is too much? Well, it is certainly not worth investing in an object or capability that is quickly overcome by newer technologies, rendered vulnerable by better counter capabilities or with the evolution of warfare.

Can some fighters grow, evolve, and adapt over time to stay relevant such that they warrant paying that sticker shock when purchased? Certainly…the F-16 was clearly that case in the last generation of fighters. During its 48-year lifetime (first flight in January 1974), it grew from being a lightweight, close-in dogfighting 9G jet with no beyond visual range capability into a true multi-role, lethal, capable and, in the case of the F-16 E/F, a monster. Essentially every mission set except ISR, or stealth-related missions can be flown by the F-16…. oh, also it can’t land on a boat.

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Unread post14 May 2022, 15:40

usafr wrote:Anyone have a link to the Canadian government report on the results of the completion that lead to the selection of the F-35?

Denamrk released a report. Switzerland released a report. Finland released report. Where is the report from Canada?


You think this government is open and transparent? :lmao:
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