Pressure increases on [Canada] to stay or leave F-35 program

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Unread post04 Jan 2022, 22:47

Unless current fleet of CF-18s becomes completely unoperational in a couple of years, then this whole saga would only be for good. Canada gets more mature F-35s at a better price and F-35 comes out on top in yet another competition. Maybe we can even be treated to some juicy evaluation results.
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Unread post04 Jan 2022, 23:39

hythelday wrote:Unless current fleet of CF-18s becomes completely unoperational in a couple of years, then this whole saga would only be for good. Canada gets more mature F-35s at a better price and F-35 comes out on top in yet another competition. Maybe we can even be treated to some juicy evaluation results.


I completely support deploying every extra available CF-18 to the front against Russia. When you have losses the justification to replace lost airframes becomes that much easier.
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Unread post05 Jan 2022, 00:47

hythelday wrote:Unless current fleet of CF-18s becomes completely unoperational in a couple of years, then this whole saga would only be for good. Canada gets more mature F-35s at a better price and F-35 comes out on top in yet another competition. Maybe we can even be treated to some juicy evaluation results.


I think they've spent more money extending the purchase than they have saved with cheaper F-35s.
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Unread post05 Jan 2022, 00:49

Corsair1963 wrote:This is from one of the biggest F-35 critics in Canada! Talk about a reversal...... :wink:



His caveats portion is still garbage and he's still firmly in the Gripen camp.
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Unread post05 Jan 2022, 00:57

clueless blogger wrote:...but it still has yet to be the fighter it was supposed to be from the very beginning.

[...snip...]

A simpler, lower cost fighter? Where have I heard that before?



The F-35 cleans up at Red Flag. with 20-1 or better "kill ratios." It guides land or sea-launched SAMs to kills against over-the-horizon or terrain-masked bandits / cruise missiles. It passively generates tracking-quality tracks on boosting ballistic missiles and passes those tracks to other military assets. It eats other fighters for a snack. Just what was it supposed "to be from the very beginning?"

It cleaned up in the Swiss competition. It cleaned up in the Finish competition. The Thais are saying the F-35 is cheaper than Gripen. The F-35 costs less than any other "modern" fighter in production. How much cheaper does it need to be? How much "lower cost" does it need to be?

Simpler? That is a red herring. One could argue the avionics and software makes the F-35 "simpler" to operate, "simpler" to maintain, "simpler" to build overwhelming situation awareness.

Making back-handed comments about the USAF buying more F-15EX's and implying they are cheaper, when they are what -- $10M or more expensive per airframe than a Lightning is misleading at best, downright intellectually dishonest on its face.

This blogger is a real wanker.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post05 Jan 2022, 01:19

steve2267 wrote:
clueless blogger wrote:...but it still has yet to be the fighter it was supposed to be from the very beginning.

[...snip...]

A simpler, lower cost fighter? Where have I heard that before?



The F-35 cleans up at Red Flag. with 20-1 or better "kill ratios." It guides land or sea-launched SAMs to kills against over-the-horizon or terrain-masked bandits / cruise missiles. It passively generates tracking-quality tracks on boosting ballistic missiles and passes those tracks to other military assets. It eats other fighters for a snack. Just what was it supposed "to be from the very beginning?"

It cleaned up in the Swiss competition. It cleaned up in the Finish competition. The Thais are saying the F-35 is cheaper than Gripen. The F-35 costs less than any other "modern" fighter in production. How much cheaper does it need to be? How much "lower cost" does it need to be?

Simpler? That is a red herring. One could argue the avionics and software makes the F-35 "simpler" to operate, "simpler" to maintain, "simpler" to build overwhelming situation awareness.

Making back-handed comments about the USAF buying more F-15EX's and implying they are cheaper, when they are what -- $10M or more expensive per airframe than a Lightning is misleading at best, downright intellectually dishonest on its face.

This blogger is a real wanker.


Plus, the USAF isn't replacing any F-15C's with F-15EX's. While, the ANG is doing a 50/50 mix......So, him implying the USAF doesn't have confidence in the F-35 is more than just an exaggeration.
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Unread post12 Jan 2022, 23:06

There was this news about Canada and its defence procurement programs including the future fighter aircraft which I was planning to post here but in the meanwhile, I forgot. This news is now 5 days old so it's still not that old, I guess:

Controversial equipment projects await new deputy minister at DND
Bill Matthews will become the new deputy minister at DND on Jan. 11, replacing Jody Thomas, who will take over as national security advisor.

Author of the article:David Pugliese • Ottawa Citizen
Publishing date:Jan 06, 2022 • 5 days ago • 3 minute read

A top public servant with procurement experience is being moved over to National Defence as that department faces an upcoming year dealing with potentially problematic multi-billion dollar projects.

Bill Matthews will become the new deputy minister at DND on Jan. 11, replacing Jody Thomas. His appointment is in advance of the expected government announcement on the winning bidder for the $19-billion contract for new fighter jets. The U.S.-built F-35 stealth fighter is seen as the favourite to win that competition despite Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s vow that Canada would not buy that particular aircraft.

Matthews, who was deputy minister at Public Services and Procurement Canada, will also have on his agenda the Canadian Surface Combatant ship project. That acquisition, which had a $28-billion budget, has spiralled out of control in terms of cost, with the Parliamentary Budget Officer noting last year the estimated price tag had risen to around $77 billion. That cost is expected to go even higher as delays, inflation and pandemic-related construction issues have dogged the project being handled by Lockheed Martin and Irving Shipbuilding.

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(the rest read it at the source below but I would say that it isn't much of interest since it involves other projects such as AOPS and the current repeated to the death by the media sexual assault scandals in the Canadian Forces yada, yada, yada...)

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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national ... ter-at-dnd


Anyway, my point with the news above is to ask namely to the other Canadian members here what are your opinions on this??
Will the new DND deputy minister benefit and be a good news for the F-35 in Canada or not?
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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