Australian lawmakers confident in F-35's future

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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 06:03

8) Original intention was to have an ALL F-35A RAAF. So how about 100 F-35As and 1doz Growlers? Make sense? I would like to see some F-35Bs - 2 doz to make up the intended 100 F-35s - but tell me I'm dreamin'. :mrgreen:
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 17:16

tincansailor wrote:It would seen a waste to dispose of practically new first class modern jets. 24 F/A18F's are a force more powerful then a lot of the worlds air forces. With 72 F-35A, 12 F/A18G, and 24 F/A18F Australia will certainly be among the top ten air forces in the world. Where would members of the board rate Australia on a list of top air forces??


Let us focus only on fighters for the year 2025. Australia would not have anywhere the numbers of the US, China, India and Russia but would have much higher quality than China, India and Russia (and even somewhat the US, which is supposed to be one quarter fifth generation fighters in 2022). Arbitrarily ignoring France's nuclear weapons, I would take the Australian setup over the proposed French (approximately) 150 Rafales and 40 Mirage 2000Ds for around 2025. Germany's air force is underfunded; even the Typhoons are not getting the same upgrades as RAF Typhoons. Italy flies a mix of types with smaller numbers of F-35s by 2025 and Spain's replacement of its Hornets might be just getting under way.

So Australia might indeed be in a three way tie for fighter-only fifth place with the UK and Israel, both of which are acquiring F-35s and have many decent fourth generation aircraft. The RAF has more specialist, non-fighter fixed wing aircraft than the RAAF and IAF so would win in terms of the non-fighter fixed wing component of the air force.

Australia and Israel are punching way above their populations in terms of military procurement. Australia is also engaged in major vehicle procurement for the army and major surface ship and submarine procurement for the navy.
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 18:20

I left out Japan and South Korea. The fact that Japan's F-35s are replacing F-4s and South Korea still flies F-5s shows that Japan and South Korea are not always on the bleeding edge of fighter procurement when numbers matter. In 2025, Japan and South Korea each might have comparable numbers of F-35s to the UK. Japan's single-role F-15s are behind the multirole Typhoons and F-15s flown by South Korea, UK and Israel (Israel also flies single-role F-15s).

So let's stick Japan and South Korea into a six way tie for fifth place with Australia, Israel, Italy and the UK if we ignore France's fighter carried nuclear weapons and all non-fighter aircraft and all non-aircraft weapons systems. :D I tossed in Italy as they are allegedly buying 90 F-35s over the life of the program although Italians seem much less excited about the weapon system than Australians.

There's our fighter-only top ten: US >>> China, Russia >> India (numbers matter) > Australia, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, UK.

Again for 2025, France and the UK are considerably above all of Australia, Japan, Israel, Italy and South Korea when we do consider the non-fighter aircraft, France's fighter carried nuclear weapons, the real fixed wing aircraft carriers of the French and British navies, satellites, pilot training, recent combat experience in the Middle East, etc.
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 18:22

By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 19:22

ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(


To rub it in, Australia is also buying 15 P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft.

http://www.airforce.gov.au/Technology/Future-Acquisitions/Boeing-P8-A-Poseidon/?RAAF-Z4PUOpGXH/eLtWmc6qxYl9xYycb+rKng
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 20:03

ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(


But, with a fork and a knife, you can poke and cut Poutine to death ! :mrgreen:
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 20:33

talkitron wrote:
ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(


To rub it in, Australia is also buying 15 P-8 Poseidon maritime patrol aircraft.


And Landing Helicopter Dock (LHD) ships...
And NEW Submarines...
And NEW destroyers...
And they have Helicopter Gunships, and, and so on....


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ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(


But, with a fork and a knife, you can poke and cut Poutine to death ! :mrgreen:


To make things worse, I don't like cheese. Fortunately I enjoy Maple Syrup a lot. :wink:
And also and on top of that I don't live in Canada anymore (but obviously I don't like a bit what this current eccentric PM is doing to my birth country) in terms of defence procurements...
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Unread post07 Aug 2017, 22:33

OK already let us stick to Australia please - there is a very long running thread about Canada for any complaints.
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Unread post08 Aug 2017, 01:08

Speaking of Australian rankings, I ventured across the interwebs to GlobalFirepower.com to see what they think. It has now become obvious that the website is full of dung.

Apparently Egypt is now a top ten military power, and Australia is #22? :doh: Fear the mighty Taiwanese, Thai, and Brazilian air power!
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Unread post08 Aug 2017, 08:27

ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(



I guess it's mostly geography. Australia is more distant from their major allies, so they feel more vulnerable, and have to protect themselves. Both fought and suffered great losses in WWII alongside the other Commonwealth, and Empire forces. I suspect if Russian Subs, and Bombers start buzzing around Canada again they'll take their defenses more seriously. At least I hope so.
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 00:34

white_lightning35 wrote:Apparently Egypt is now a top ten military power, and Australia is #22? :doh: Fear the mighty Taiwanese, Thai, and Brazilian air power!


Are you saying that someone considered Brazil (for example) as having a bigger air power than Australia?? I'm laughing so hard at that :doh:
The Australian Air Force would smash the Brazilian Air Force several times over, that's for sure! :wink:


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ricnunes wrote:By reading this I cannot help to think to myself that I should have been born Australian instead of Canadian... :(



I guess it's mostly geography. Australia is more distant from their major allies, so they feel more vulnerable, and have to protect themselves. Both fought and suffered great losses in WWII alongside the other Commonwealth, and Empire forces. I suspect if Russian Subs, and Bombers start buzzing around Canada again they'll take their defenses more seriously. At least I hope so.


Yeap, your point about geography makes some sense. Coupled with this is the fact that Canada only seems to get their act together regarding military procurement when in dire need, i.e. when at war like recently happened in Afghanistan which forced the Canadian government at the time to purchase new tanks (Leopard 2s), new transport aircraft (C-17s and C-130Js) and new helicopters (Chinooks) among other equipment. But yes, I don't wish to deviate this tread from Australia anymore...
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Unread post09 Aug 2017, 02:25

Plus the future looks very bright for the ADF as a whole. There will be a big increase in overall spending, and it seems that there is also a coherent strategy looking forward. A strong economy will also mean that Australia's path is sustainable and will not be over the top. Perhaps Aussie politicians aren't all idiots. Imagine having some of those...
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Unread post18 Aug 2017, 21:40

First CO of No.3 Squadron RAAF with F-35As Wing Commander Darren Clare (yet to be stood up) had first F-35A flight at Luke AFB (I guess) recently - see photos sent via e-mail with no other details.
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Unread post18 Aug 2017, 23:00

I like the kangaroo on australian planes. US planes should start getting bald eagles or something....
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Unread post18 Aug 2017, 23:08

Wait... These are AU jets.. Someone needs to tell them that the arrows point in the other direction :roll:
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