Australian lawmakers confident in F-35's future

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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 00:24

That's scary..........
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 07:20

I think that was to be expected and going for new submarine type (especially nuclear) is going to take a lot of time even if they did go with Virginia class submarines as they are. It will take quite a lot of time before first one enters Australian service and it will likely take at least a decade (more likely about 2 decades) after that before last one does also. So Collins class must soldier on for a long time... I think with the Attack class they would've needed to do the the same even if it went smoothly as planned. I think the plan was to get first Attack class submarine to service by 2035 and last one in 2050 or something like that.
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 14:52

USMC jets flying off an HMS carrier on a deployment. Whodathunkit 20-30 years ago?

I must have missed the announcement where Australia is going with Virginias. There are two US shipyards building Virginias. I am going to guess they could build a few more, faster. Start crewing some Aussies on UK / US submarines soonest to start transferring institutional knowledge to the land down under. Once the Aussies have a full crew on a Virginia, give them (sell them) the boat. Keep some UK / US crew on as advisors.

Mixing crews and then selling Australia some boats sooner, even if "slightly" used, could be a much faster track than the pace they appear to be setting up.

While crews are being trained and institutionalized, start doing the same with engineers & shipbuilding. China's not waiting.
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 21:29

Exchange sub personnel programs have been ongoing since WWII or before. One would guess an Ozzie in an USN nuke boat would not be allowed near nuke stuff, nothing new there either. Meanwhile speculation abounds for what sub rubadubdub https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... rine-deal/
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 22:12

And now BACK to F-35s in OzLandia with others.
Lockheed Martin Supports U.S. Indo Pacific Command in Bilateral Exercise with Australia
29 Sep 2021 LM PR

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 29, 2021 – The Lockheed Martin (LMT) F-35 Lightning II and Virtual Aegis Weapon System (VAWS) demonstrated the ability to share real-time sensor data from Fort Worth, Texas, to Honolulu, Hawaii, and on to the Australian Defence Force during a recent military exercise between the United States and Australia. In partnership with U.S. Indo Pacific Command, Lockheed Martin’s participation in Talisman Sabre 2021 (TS21) continued the military/industry team’s experimentation efforts to improve joint interoperability between U.S. services and allies.

The exchange of real-time F-35 data with non-F-35 platforms outside of the United States via the F-35’s multi-function advanced data link directly supports goals presented in the Pacific Deterrence Initiative. This initiative includes using large-scale exercises to pursue innovative experimentation in support of building joint all-domain information sharing capabilities.

“With this demonstration, the F-35 has proven that its sensor fusion capabilities make it the most advanced node in the 21st century warfare network-centric architecture,” said Bridget Lauderdale, Lockheed Martin vice president and general manager of the F-35 program. “We are proud to deliver on the expectations of our customers in the Indo-Pacific Command theater and in Australia and look forward to working with them to build on the capabilities the F-35 has proven thus far.”

In the 21st century battlespace, dominance will be determined by the ability to securely connect high-tech platforms into one cohesive network that spans every domain – air, land, sea, space and cyber. This recent demonstration strengthens the U.S. military’s interoperability with its allies against the heightened strategic threat environment. Only the F-35 has the ability to reach into austere environments to provide critical real-time information back to allied defense forces.

Starting with Talisman Sabre in 2019, Lockheed Martin has collaborated with U.S. Indo-Pacific Command on experimentation to enhance kill webs, which are a multitude of sensors that collect, prioritize, process, and share data, then fuse it into a continuously updated display of information for joint forces. The demonstrations conducted during TS21 are further proof of Lockheed Martin’s ability to quickly connect advanced technology, provide commanders more options to meet their objectives, and ensure warfighters have the information needed to quickly make critical decisions in the battlespace...."

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Unread post01 Oct 2021, 08:45

Australia – EA-18G Growler Aircraft and Related Defense Services
30 Sep 2021 DSCA

"WASHINGTON, September 30, 2021 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the Government of Australia of EA-18G Growler Aircraft, Related Defense Services, and related equipment for an estimated cost of $125 million. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Australia has requested to buy a United States Navy (USN) EA-18G aircraft. The USN EA-18G aircraft will then be modified into a Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) EA-18G aircraft configuration. The sale would include one (1) EA-18G Growler aircraft (Lot 38 or later) and engineering and modification; verification and validation flight test efforts; maintenance and storage; U.S. Government and contractor engineering/technical assistance; related studies and analysis support; and other related elements of programmatic, technical and logistics support. The total estimated value is $125 million....

...This proposed sale will allow Australia to effectively maintain its current force projection capability that enhances interoperability with U.S. forces well into the future and maintain their original primary level of aircraft authorized. This aircraft would replace Australia’s EA-18G A46-311 aircraft lost in an accident at Nellis Air Force Base. Australia currently employs the EA-18G and will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces.

The proposed sale of this aircraft and follow-on support will not alter the basic military balance in the region. These aircraft will be provided from U.S. Navy stock. There are no known offset agreements proposed in connection with this potential sale...."

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Unread post02 Oct 2021, 01:17

It's bought the same way as before. Navy buys it, we pay for it. They give us one out of their order.
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Unread post02 Oct 2021, 14:55

U.S. Navy on Track to Sell Replacement EA-18G Growler Aircraft to Australia
01 Oct 2021 Richard R. Burgess

"...The EA-18G would be from Lot 38 or later and would be modified to the configuration of the other 11 Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) EA-18Gs. [the growler is taken from the USN - it has been built already]

“This aircraft would replace Australia’s EA-18G A46-311 aircraft lost in an accident at Nellis Air Force Base [Nevada],” the DSCA said, noting the aircraft would come from the U.S. Navy’s existing inventory of EA-18Gs.

Boeing originally delivered 160 EA-18Gs to the U.S. Navy and 12 to the RAAF.

Photo: "An EA-18G Growler, assigned to the “Gauntlets” of Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 136, recovers on the flight deck of Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN 70), Sept. 29, 2021. U.S. NAVY / Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Isaiah Williams" https://seapowermagazine.org/wp-content ... wler-2.jpg (1Mb)


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Unread post03 Oct 2021, 10:48

I was mistaken, it looks like it will be a used aircraft.
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Unread post05 Oct 2021, 00:23

Instead of CAnaDian thread I'll post this CANaduhdudDUH artickle LUNK (yes I know) here... AUKUS awkwardness...

04 Oct 2021 Bill Greenwalt O No Canada: Is A Three-Eyed AUKUS An Augury For Change? https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/o-n ... or-change/
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Unread post06 Oct 2021, 12:34

ACE with Oz? ACE. :mrgreen:
More Than Just Subs: AUKUS Will Change Pacific Air Ops as Well
05 Oct 2021 Col. Douglas D. Jackson

"For example, U.S. air forces will be able to practice and refine the burgeoning agile combat employment, or ACE, concept....

...On September 16, U.S. Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin outlined AUKUS-associated initiatives “to co-develop advanced defense capabilities” with Australia. Australian Defense Minister Peter Dutton amplified the strategic intent of the AUKUS agreement by foreshadowing efforts aimed at “enhancing our force posture cooperation, increasing interoperability, and deepening alliance activities in the Indo-Pacific.” These deepening alliance activities will include “rotational deployments of all types of U.S. military aircraft to Australia.” The Commander of the United States Pacific Air Forces also recently affirmed that strategic intent as he described a willingness to send all available U.S. aircraft in the region, including fifth-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, to Australia as an element of these expanded rotations. These aircraft deployments will supplement the existing Marine Rotational Force Darwin, which is a contingent of 2,500 U.S. Marines on annual, six-month deployments to Australia.

Consistent, rotational deployments of all models and variants of U.S. aircraft to Australia are likely to enhance the U.S. position in Indo-Pacific strategic competition in three ways. The first and perhaps most significant potential effect of the agreement is to enable U.S. air forces to practice and refine the burgeoning agile combat employment, or ACE, concept. ACE is a concept designed to confound an adversary’s targeting processes by using multiple airfields in one region to disperse air forces and project combat power from many locations. These potential airfields range from robust international airports to austere airstrips. By pursuing a dispersion of force capability, the U.S. is tacitly acknowledging that the concept of a fixed, centralized air hub of operations used in the post 9/11 conflicts of the last two decades—for example, at Ramstein Air Base, Germany; Al Udeid Air Base, Qatar; and Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan—is probably less effective against current U.S threats...."

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Unread post07 Oct 2021, 04:09

Op HOOKless (nuke subs for Oz) one would think would be about HOOKLESS F-35Bs on an OZ flat deck - BUT NO!

Operation Hookless 30 Sep 2021 Professor Dr Julian Lindley-French
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Unread post07 Oct 2021, 10:11

Australia plays role in F-35 networking trials

https://www.australiandefence.com.au/ne ... ing-trials

The recent trial, during Exercise Talisman Sabre 21, involved an RAAF F-35A that was engaged in a pre-delivery acceptance flight in the US, together with a Virtual Aegis Weapons System (VAWS) on the ground at Fort Worth, Texas. During its acceptance flight, the F-35 was utilised as an airborne sensor platform and used its on-board Multi-Function Advanced Data Link (MADL) capability to provide weapons’ quality target data to VAWS. The targeting data was then relayed via the US Government communications network to a Battle Management Centre in Hawaii, and on to RAAF Base Williamtown.

From Williamtown, the data was relayed to units on the ground in the TS21 exercise area to engage the simulated target.

Lockheed Martin says it has been working with US Indo-Pacific Command since 2019 on experimentation work to enhance “kill webs” of multiple sensors that collect, prioritise and share data to provide a fused picture for commanders.

“The demonstrations, conducted in partnership with the US Government showcased the F-35 as a successful sensor and shooter in the role and most recently in its first live collaboration with the Australian Defence Force, reinforcing the strength of the alliance,” Lockheed Martin F-35 Combat Air Australia Lead Chris Widerstrom said.

“Indo-PACOM had a requirement as part of Talisman Sabre 21 to collect live weapons quality sensor information from the F-35 and transmit that data via MADL to the greater all-domain operations. Whether to ground-based missile defence systems, or airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft like the E-7A Wedgetail, representing the ability to distribute and share that information to all participants.”

The trial represented the first ever live sharing of MADL data with a non-US participant and the information received from the F-35 was the only data used to provide the targeting solution to forces on the ground across the Pacific, in real time.

“The VAWS assigned the weapons and then it was passed to a field artillery system through command and control networks and that then enabled the countering of that particular threat by surface to air missile systems,” explained Lockheed Martin Australia Business Development Directory, Rotary Wing Systems Neale Prescott.

“We also had the ability then to direct fire against maritime targets, the purpose was to show that targeting information from an F-35 can be fed into a fire control system that has the necessary weapons to counter complex threats. The weapons assignment is based on who has the greatest chance of conducting the intercept – whether it’s a ship, aircraft or land-based strike asset - and you’re getting that data out in real time.”
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Unread post09 Oct 2021, 20:23

How good is french crap military stuff? Tigers & MRH-90s being replaced tootsweet eh. Not up to scratch - usual issues:
United States Approves Possible FMS of MH-60R Helicopters to Australia 09 Oct 2021 Xavier Vavasseur
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Unread post11 Oct 2021, 18:49

spazsinbad wrote:Instead of CAnaDian thread I'll post this CANaduhdudDUH artickle LUNK (yes I know) here... AUKUS awkwardness...

04 Oct 2021 Bill Greenwalt O No Canada: Is A Three-Eyed AUKUS An Augury For Change? https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/o-n ... or-change/


I wouldn't read too much on that.
The Pacific theater was always considered to be kinda of secondary by Canada (I disagree with this view but things are what they are). The Atlantic has always been the main theater for Canada and even the Arctic seems to have a much bigger priority over the pacific despite the Canadian Navy having a Pacific fleet (which seems to be more focused on protecting Canada's Pacific then projecting its power overseas).
The AUKUS deal is clearly all about power projection in the South Pacific (including the South China Sea) and traditionally Canada never (heavily) operated there as opposed to Australia.
“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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