UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 16 Oct 2019, 21:43

I guess 'no sea legs' whilst he was attempting to walk CRABlike on the deck tripping on a padeye. One weeps for the HMDS.

Corsair1963 · by **Corsair1963** » 17 Oct 2019, 04:22

marsavian wrote:
It could be the USS Albany (SSN-753) as the submarine is of the 688i later design of the Los Angeles class

The resulting Seawolf submarine SSN-21 is according to the U.S. Navy ten times quieter over the full range of operating speeds than the Improved Los Angeles submarines, and an astonishing seventy times quieter than the original Los Angeles–class submarines. It can run quiet at twice the speed of previous boats.

Speaks volumes......

steve2267 · by **steve2267** » 17 Oct 2019, 04:42

US CVN's are slated to get, what, two squadrons of Lightnings per carrier air wing? A USN squadron is now 10 aircraft? (I thought squadrons were always 24 aircraft.) So... 20 F-35C's per CVN?

It's amazing to think with up to 40 F-35B's per QE boat... the Royal Navy will have the most powerful strike carrier available for penetrating A2/AD areas...

zerion · by **zerion** » 17 Oct 2019, 21:29

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 00:21

HMS Queen Elizabeth, RAF F-35B wet deck ops, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu_3LzKAO5U

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 00:31

My guess in the hangar pic above we see two PORTABLE FULL MISSION SIMULATORS (light grey) in the hangar of QE. ???

zerion · by **zerion** » 18 Oct 2019, 01:16

The Twitter account said it was test equipment for operational trials.

boilermaker · by **boilermaker** » 18 Oct 2019, 02:30

spazsinbad wrote:HMS Queen Elizabeth, RAF F-35B wet deck ops, Westlant19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu_3LzKAO5U

Australia should get cracking on getting heli boats modified to use F35Bs. It seems to be a nice capability for small price.

https://news.usni.org/2019/04/16/f-35b- ... ier-nearby

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ked-aboard

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 02:53

zerion wrote:The Twitter account said it was test equipment for operational trials.

Thanks - got a link please. I'm not a twitterati or twitterliterate or twatmember etc.... :roll:

Similar if not the same article posted earlier: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=282561&hilit=transformation#p282561

The Royal Navy and the Royal Air Force Prepare for Cross-Domain Transformation: The F-35 and the Queen Elizabeth Carrier
12 Dec 2014 SLDinfo

"...The USN were very interested in our purchase of DMRT, the deployed mission-ready trainers, essentially a portable full mission simulator, one of which is already in place at Edwards AFB to support our Operational Test and Evaluation effort. Two containers are will be ‘hung’ in the hangar deck of the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers, which allows us to practice any number of scenarios from carrier flying to high-end training to our heart’s content on board the ship. The ability to be able to mission rehearse or even problem solve with this capability is a step into the next generation of warfare.

The next step will be connecting that across to the Typhoon simulators off the ship in order to be able to remotely participate in 4th/5th gen training. There’s work in progress at the moment in terms of connecting a range of different simulators in the UK and not just in the air domain.

We have been very successful with our Air Battle Training Centre (ABTC) at RAF Waddington, a large percentage of which is funded by the British Army due to its ability to train for Joint Fires. We are currently rehearsing the RED FLAG 2015 missions in there prior to deployment to Nellis AFB training Typhoon and E3-D Sentry crews and other exercises have linked in RN fighter control assets.

We will then next connect to Queen Elizabeth, and then clearly, the ultimate goal of that live virtual construct where the person in the cockpit sees the same things as the man or woman in the simulator, allowing us to train to the absolute high end, if that’s what we need to...."

Source: https://sldinfo.com/2014/12/the-royal-n ... h-carrier/

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 04:13

An OLDie but a GOODie porta-potty-thingo thread with graphic: viewtopic.php?f=55&t=21955&p=254234&hilit=symposium#p254234

graphic from: http://www.amdo.org/JSF_Program_and_33_FW_Updates.pdf (3.4Mb)

BUNCHof F-35 Training Simulator or other stuff images: https://www.flickr.com/photos/135847216 ... 0776967262

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 05:41

Another OLDEN BUT GOLDEN inside the Wharton BAE Sim to see how easy it is to VL on QE deck (even I could do this). :doh:

Inside The Simulator Prepping F 35 Lightning II Pilots | Forces TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R1yVK5nn1U

zerion · by **zerion** » 18 Oct 2019, 16:59

https://mobile.twitter.com/hmsqnlz/stat ... 9542321153

spazsinbad · by **spazsinbad** » 18 Oct 2019, 18:35

Thanks.

marsavian · by **marsavian** » 18 Oct 2019, 18:52

Corsair1963 wrote:
marsavian wrote:
It could be the USS Albany (SSN-753) as the submarine is of the 688i later design of the Los Angeles class

The resulting Seawolf submarine SSN-21 is according to the U.S. Navy ten times quieter over the full range of operating speeds than the Improved Los Angeles submarines, and an astonishing seventy times quieter than the original Los Angeles–class submarines. It can run quiet at twice the speed of previous boats.

Speaks volumes......

What the exercise showed in a comparative way was that the Russian Akula/Victor submarines could be defended against by the QE carrier battle group with only their latest stealth class Severodvinsk being an unknown.

ricnunes · by **ricnunes** » 18 Oct 2019, 19:07

marsavian wrote:What the exercise showed in a comparative way was that the Russian Akula/Victor submarines could be defended against by the QE carrier battle group with only their latest stealth class Severodvinsk being an unknown.

Well, the RN also operates the Astute-Class Nuclear Attack Submarine which are reported to be extremely quiet and likely having similar levels of noise/stealth compared to the Seawolf or Virgina-Class submarines so I would say that a QE carrier battle group can also train and prepare against the most modern threats such as the Severodvinsk-class submarines.