UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Program progress, politics, orders, and speculation
  • Author
  • Message
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 7523
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post12 May 2021, 23:34

mixelflick wrote:Cutting their F-35 buy from 138 to... something less is going to be a BIG mistake.

Reason #1: The Typhoon isnt going to last forever, and likely won't survive in any future contested environment
Reason #2: The Tempest is 12-15 years out, going to be very expensive and bought in much smaller numbers

So if they cut the buy to say, 50 F-35's they'd be in a real pickle. Typhoons retiring and/or costs to maintain the aging fleet will inevitably skyrocket. Even if they were to hang on to it, it still wouldn't be a first day of war aircraft. Tempest would be of course, but then again if they can't affort 100+ F-35's, how in the hell are they going to afford a similar number of Tempests?

British pilots, maintainers etc have proved their worth over and over from saving the day during WWII to winning the day in the Falklands. And in both cases they were outnumbered and behind the 8 ball. They still took care of business.

They deserve the F-35, and lots of them..



The UK need 138 F-35B's to support the Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers. Which, doesn't even account for what the RAF need for land based operations.
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 267
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post13 May 2021, 01:33

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/hms-que ... ish-coast/

This is the first time British F-35Bs have fired ASRAAM missiles whilst operating from an aircraft carrier.
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post13 May 2021, 03:15

Attachments
f35bqnlz11.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

zerion

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 702
  • Joined: 25 Jan 2014, 01:47
  • Location: Everywhere like such as...

Unread post13 May 2021, 19:23

https://twitter.com/HMSQNLZ/status/1392890373794566151

When we're busy up top ⚡

We're busy below Wrench

Engineers keep our primary weapon systems serviceable and ready to fly

Image
Image
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post20 May 2021, 16:28

Carriers sail together as HMS Queen Elizabeth and Carrier Strike Group complete final exercise
20 May 2021 RN PR

"...Strike Warrior saw the Carrier Strike Group pitted against warships from NATO’s Standing Maritime Group 1 to prove it can undertake high-intensity operations in response to a broad range of crisis and conflict situations. Activities included live missile firings at sea, training with NATO, mine counter measures operations and submarine exercises.

Demonstrating the ability of the strike group to operate alongside NATO allies, Strike Warrior featured forces from Denmark, France, Germany, Latvia, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, the USA and one non-NATO country, Australia.

The two-week exercise formed part of the wider military bi-annual exercise, Joint Warrior, where the Royal Navy, Royal Air Force, British Army and UK Strategic Command – alongside NATO and Australian partners – conducted land, cyber and space exercises....

...A highlight of the exercise included the first missile firings from a British jet at sea for 15 years, conducted by the F-35 stealth fighters. In the tests off the west coast of Scotland, the F-35s launched from Queen Elizabeth’s flight deck to intercept a Mirach target drone. By successfully bringing down two “bogeys” – jet target drones – with air-to-air missiles, the pilots of 617 Squadron (aka The Dambusters) showed how they can protect HMS Queen Elizabeth from air attack during the deployment and demonstrated the potency of the fifth-generation strike fighter.

Captain James Blackmore, Commander of the Carrier Air Group, said: “The first successful ASRAAM firing is an important moment for the F-35B, and for Carrier Strike. This was the first time a British jet has fired a missile at sea since before the retirement of the Sea Harrier in 2006. These firings proved our confidence in the weapon system and demonstrate the growing potency of this fifth-generation strike fighter."..."



Source: https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-l ... ke-warrior
Attachments
2xCVFsAtSeaMay2021.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 267
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post20 May 2021, 16:47

https://www.navylookout.com/photo-essay ... e-warrior/

A number of nice photos.

"Large amounts of equipment have also been stored in the hangar for convenience which would not be the case if a larger complement of aircraft was embarked. For CSG21, HMS Queen Elizabeth is carrying about 50% of the jets and helicopters she is designed for."

"The minor fire in the refrigeration spaces of RFA Fort Victoria on 10th May while alongside in Portland meant that much of the frozen food provisions embarked for the group has had to be destroyed. Together with weather and other complications, this means plans for the start of CSG21 deployment continue to evolve and may yet still change."
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post20 May 2021, 22:38

Joint Force Command Norfolk Kicks off Part 1 of NATO’s Steadfast Defender 2021
20 May 2021 Seapower Staff

"ATLANTIC OCEAN – A dynamic NATO maritime live exercise (LIVEX) has begun off the coast of Portugal with participation from 11 allied nations from North America and Europe as a part of Steadfast Defender 2021, May 20, Joint Force Command Norfolk said in a May 20 release.

The maritime LIVEX, led by Joint Force Command Norfolk (JFCNF), focuses on the rapid reinforcement of NATO’s European allies by North American forces. Over 5,000 service members and 20 ships will be participating, including the Royal Navy’s Carrier Strike Group HMS Queen Elizabeth; and 40 aircraft, including F-35B Joint Strike Fighters embarked....

...This exercise is also part of the maiden deployment of the United Kingdom’s newest aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth. U.K. and U.S. F-35B Strike Fighters embarked, making it the world’s largest air group of fifth generation jets. It will also be the largest deployment of Fleet Air Arm helicopters in a decade....

...JFCNF is the only operational-level NATO command in North America and its establishment and location in Norfolk, Virginia, embodies the enduring trans-Atlantic commitment to collective security and defense of our allies and partners.

Participating units in the Maritime Live Exercise include: USS Mount Whitney (LCC 20) as the command and control platform, with the embarked U.S. 2nd Fleet Staff; the Royal Navy’s HMS Queen Elizabeth carrier strike group with embarked U.S. Marine Fighter Attack Squadron (VMFA) 211, and cooperative deployers, the Dutch HNLMS Evertsen (F805), USS The Sullivans (DDG 68); the Iwo Jima Amphibious Ready Group; Standing NATO Marine Groups 1 and 2; as well as surface ships and aircraft from Portugal, Spain, France, Canada, Turkey, Germany and Italy."

Photo: "Gen. David H. Berger, commandant of the Marine Corps, visited Her Majesty’s Ship Queen Elizabeth at sea off the coast of Flamborough, United Kingdom, in October, 2020. The HMS Queen Elizabeth strike group is one of 20 ships participating in the NATO maritime live exercise Steadfast Defender. U.S. MARINE CORPS" https://seapowermagazine.org/wp-content ... -Livex.jpg (1.3Mb)


Source: https://seapowermagazine.org/joint-forc ... nder-2021/
Attachments
Queen-Elizabeth-NATO-Livex-1024x683.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 267
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post26 May 2021, 09:57

Nine ships, 32 aircraft, and 3,700 personnel set sail May 22 on the U.K. Carrier Strike Group’s first operational deployment

On the carrier’s flight deck are 18 state-of-the-art F-35B fast jets, operated by joint RAF and Royal Navy 617 squadron, and the U.S. Marine Corps.

Operating alongside the jets are four Wildcat maritime attack helicopters, seven Merlin Mk2 anti-submarine helicopters and three Merlin Mk4 commando helicopters.

HMS Queen Elizabeth, will lead six Royal Navy ships, a Royal Navy submarine, a U.S. Navy destroyer and a frigate from the Netherlands

the Carrier Strike Group will interact with over 40 nations during its 26,000-nautical-mile global tour

https://seapowermagazine.org/u-k-carrie ... eployment/
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post28 May 2021, 20:01

On board HMS Queen Elizabeth for exercise Steadfast Defender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFuXtPwoilw

A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post29 May 2021, 20:20

Photo essay – 10 hectic days for the Royal Navy’s carrier strike group 29 May 2021 NAVY LOOKOUT
https://www.navylookout.com/photo-essay ... ike-group/
PHOTOs: "The carriers are identical in design although there are some very minor internal differences as result of lessons learned during the construction of the first ship. HMS Prince of Wales is officially said to be longer, although only by a matter of a few centimetres." https://www.navylookout.com/wp-content/ ... ales-6.jpg
&
"Seen from HNLMS Evertsen (Photo: Jan Dijkstra)" https://www.navylookout.com/wp-content/ ... beth-2.jpg

UK and USMC F-35 jets conduct air-air refuelling while flying from HMS Queen Elizabeth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrREPLtyFZg

Attachments
HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-HMS-Prince-of-Wales-6.jpg
F-35BvlAFARqe.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post29 May 2021, 20:44

Photo: "F-35B Lightnings of 617 (Dambusters) Squadron captured from a 101 Squadron Voyager following refuelling off South West France on Exercise Atlantic Trident (RAF picture)" https://g7a6v6x7.rocketcdn.me/wp-conten ... t-_001.jpg
Attachments
RAF-F-35bs-from-HMS-Queen-Elizabeth-deployed-on-Exercise-Atlantic-Trident-_001.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post01 Jun 2021, 14:34

F-35 from HMS Queen Elizabeth in precautionary Ibiza landing
01 Jun 2021 George Allison

"An F-35 jet launched from HMS Queen Elizabeth has had to conduct an emergency landing in Ibiza as a precautionary measure....

...The... image shows what appears to be a punctured tyre but we’re awaiting confirmation on what actually happened....

...I asked a naval source about this, he told me:
“If it’s literally just the puncture it’s a safety thing. Being cautious with a $150m dollar aircraft. Why land on a small deck when you can a large runway etc. These things happen and will again. The jet is down safely. That’s the main thing. If I had to make a guess, a merlin will fly out with parts/engineers and fix the issue so can rejoin the ship. Not the first time won’t be the last.”

The commentator added:
“But we can see the jet is intact, the wheel is punctured. It may not be the puncture that’s caused the diversion and that could have happened on landing. Pilots will know where the local airports are re having to divert. And as said it’s much safer to land at a large runway with all the facilities and emergency services if you have a sniff of a incident. They made the right call.”..."



Source: https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/f-35-fr ... a-landing/
Attachments
F-35BusmcBlownTyreIbiza31may2021.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

madrat

Elite 3K

Elite 3K

  • Posts: 3025
  • Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 03:12

Unread post02 Jun 2021, 01:09

Interesting how the 'hump' leaps put at some angles but is non-existent in others.
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 25877
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post02 Jun 2021, 02:55

Attachments
F-35BusmcBlownTyreIbiza31may2021-2.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

madrat

Elite 3K

Elite 3K

  • Posts: 3025
  • Joined: 03 Mar 2010, 03:12

Unread post02 Jun 2021, 03:08

Very sleek and slippery looking at that second angle.
PreviousNext

Return to Program and politics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 42 guests