UK MOD in a muddle over F-35C

Program progress, politics, orders, and speculation
  • Author
  • Message
Offline
User avatar

doge

Forum Veteran

Forum Veteran

  • Posts: 799
  • Joined: 13 Jul 2015, 16:07

Unread post23 Jul 2021, 15:17

The operational costs of the F-35“B” is inexpensive !?!? :shock: wow! :doh:
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/defe ... early-ret/
Lockheed Martin UK untroubled by RAF C-130J early retirement or F-35 sustainment costs
19th July 2021 - | by Tim Martin in London
Lockheed Martin UK will not suffer in any meaningful way from the early retirement of RAF C-130J tactical transport aircraft and has addressed recent criticism of F-35 operating costs.
Despite the RAF preparing to retire its C-130J Hercules tactical transport aircraft fleet 12 years earlier than expected, the surprising move will only have a ‘negligible’ impact on Lockheed Martin UK business fortunes.

That is because ‘less than 12 people’ belonging to the manufacturer are currently involved in the programme, according to Paul Livingston, chief executive of Lockheed Martin UK.
The UK MoD has committed to reselling the aircraft once they retire in 2023 and while Lockheed Martin UK will partner on that effort to support a transition from one user to another, it will not be entitled to a ...

Furthermore... 8)
F-35“B”'s Availability Rates is 80 % !? :shock: wow ! Oh my god... :doh: RAF Excellent !! :applause:
https://twitter.com/harry_lye/status/14 ... 5351797771
Harry Lye | Naval Reporter @ShephardNews |
July 20, 2021
“the maiden deployment of the UK Carrier Strike Group has seen F-35B availability rates reach 80%.
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 360
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post25 Jul 2021, 04:11

HMS Defender enters the South China Sea

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-wars ... -warnings/
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 360
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post29 Jul 2021, 09:55

HMS Queen Elizabeth Enters Disputed Waters Of South China Sea On CSG21

https://www.forces.net/news/hms-queen-e ... rike-group
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post30 Jul 2021, 04:36

Photo essay – the Carrier Strike Group – from Suez to the South China Sea
29 Jul 2021 NavyLookout

"In this photo essay, we cover the journey of the Carrier Strike Group as it passed through the Suez Canal heading east, taking a mostly direct route and arriving in the South China Sea less than three weeks later. HMS Queen Elizabeth sailed from Limassol, Cyprus on 5th July and was joined by the rest of the group, forming part of a convoy of ships that transited the canal on the 6th July...."

Photo: "Flying operations in the Red Sea, 7th July (Photo: Sgt Petronilla)" https://www.navylookout.com/wp-content/ ... -7-Jul.jpg & "Top Gun vibes, Malacca Strait, 27 July (Photo: Sgt Petronilla)." https://www.navylookout.com/wp-content/ ... 23-Jul.jpg


Source: https://www.navylookout.com/photo-essay ... china-sea/
Attachments
QEredSeaOpsF-35BsVL2021.jpg
QEopsVLsF-35Bs2021.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post11 Aug 2021, 02:29

On page 177 this thread there is a video & before that a long article about DMRTs aboard HMS Queen Elizabeth:

viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=452420&hilit=DMRT#p452420 (page 177)
Fighter pilots fly virtual missions inside shipping containers on HMS Queen Elizabeth
10 Aug 2021 Larisa Brown

"British and American F-35 pilots are flying virtual missions against the enemy inside shipping containers on the Royal Navy’s aircraft carrier as the military shifts towards using computer simulations to train troops overseas.

The war games present different threats the carrier strike group could face as it carries out freedom-of-navigation exercises in the Indo-Pacific region and multinational exercises giving a show of strength to Beijing.

There are four F-35 simulators [two ISO containers with 2 cockpits in each container = 4 F-35 cockpits (see below) ] on board HMS Queen Elizabeth, which are provided by Lockheed Martin and operated by flying instructors from BAE systems. They are used regularly by UK and US pilots to practise tactics against the most up-to-date threats while they are deployed.

It is understood that British military policy is for F-35 pilots to carry..." [Not an unSUBsubSuBubSUBSCRIBERribber RIBBIT]

Photo: "The onboard simulators replicate an F-35 cockpit with a visual of the battlefield" viewtopic.php?f=58&t=15969&p=452420&hilit=DMRT#p452420


Source: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/figh ... -tslzqv9d6
Attachments
DMRTuseQE.jpg
Last edited by spazsinbad on 11 Aug 2021, 02:49, edited 1 time in total.
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post11 Aug 2021, 02:47

UK’s Carrier Strike Group – Supporting Training Needs Whilst On Deployment
04 Jun 2021 Asian Defence Journal

"The Ministry of Defence has the first deployed Carrier Base Simulator to support the training of the UK’s Lightning fleet, the Deployable Mission Rehearsal Trainer (DMRT). Each DMRT consists of two fixed base simulator cockpits and an instructor station that are compacted into a 20ft ISO container. The DMRTs enable the Lightning Force to have the full mission simulator training experience anywhere in the world both ship embarked or shore based. The DMRTs contain the same technology that F-35 pilots use at their home in RAF Marham, Norfolk UK in the Full Mission Simulator (FMS). The major difference the FMS uses a larger pilot visual display area due to the compact nature of the ISO container.

Currently two DMRTs (four cockpits) are being used on HMS Queen Elizabeth to support the Carrier Strike Group deployment. The DMRTs are being run by BAE Systems Instructor Pilots, keeping the embarked F-35 pilots current with their training. The DMRTs are also maintained regularly whilst deployed by BAE Systems Simulation Technicians, ensuring the complex systems are working effectively every day. The DMRTs are a key deployment capability for the UK’s Lightning Force, enabling real-time training whilst on operations or exercises anywhere in the world. The big advantage of these deployable simulators is that pilots can keep up with monthly emergency procedure, practice four ship missions and mission rehearsal training.

When the DMRTs is based back in the UK they can be linked together to provide a four-ship training or mission rehearsal capability. There are plans to integrate the DMRT with the FMS to enable multi-ship training; as part of the F-35 Distributed Mission Training programme.

BAE Systems teams also maintain, repair and create new elements of the multispectral database for the F-35 FMS and DMRTs. These Database Engineers work collaboratively to develop a fully immersive environment during simulator training for F-35 pilots. This includes liaising with colleagues working on the Australian Fleet of F-35 as well as teams in the USA, and continuing to draw upon the expertise of the Royal Air Force and Royal Navy. This work includes creating enhanced 3D modelling of key locations, such as the STOL Strip at RAF Marham. This helps replicate operating from the Carrier and provides really useful training. Many other enhancements have been made using pilot feedback such as home airfield improvements to keep up with real time developments, such as new lighting, signage and new buildings."

Source: https://adj.com.my/2021/06/04/uks-carri ... eployment/
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post12 Aug 2021, 22:29

UK and US extend carrier cooperation agreement
13 Jul 2021 UK MinDef

"Defence Secretary Ben Wallace and his US counterpart Lloyd Austin extended an enhanced cooperation agreement on carrier operations as they met in Washington

Defence Secretary Ben Wallace and his US counterpart Lloyd Austin have extended an agreement to enhance cooperation on aircraft carrier operations as they met in Washington.

The two met in Washington DC for a day of high-level talks on a range of shared security challenges, discussing the UK-US defence partnership, NATO, Afghanistan and the Carrier Strike Group.

UK-US defence cooperation is the broadest, deepest and most advanced of any two countries in the world, combining the biggest defence budget in the world with the biggest in Europe, and the pair discussed opportunities to further deepen that partnership.

Mr Wallace and Mr Austin extended an existing agreement covering Enhanced Cooperation on Carrier Operations and Maritime Power Projection, due to expire in January 2022, by an additional year....

...The extended agreement lays down guidelines to ensure the generation, training and operation of both nations’ carrier forces are harmonised and effective, maximising and maintaining interoperability as both forces evolve and modernise to meet the threats of the future...."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-a ... -agreement
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post26 Aug 2021, 21:31

Choppy waters ahead? [7 page PDF of the article attached]
Sep 2021 AFM

“As HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08) and her Carrier Strike Group heads East, there may be trouble in store. [the sky may fall?] AFM charts the carrier's progress since its departure from the UK....

...HMS Queen Elizabeth's F-35Bs conducted missile firings too, marking the first time British jets have done so at sea for 15 years. In the tests off the west coast of Scotland, the F-35Bs intercepted two Mirach jet target drones. By shooting down the two 'bogeys' with ASRAAMs (Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missiles), No 617 Squadron 'The Dambusters' demonstrated how they would protect HMS Queen Elizabeth from air attack during the deployment.

Capt James Blackmore, Commander of the Carrier Air Group, said: "The first successful ASRAAM firing is an important moment for the F-35B, and for Carrier Strike. This was the first time a British jet has fired a missile at sea since before the retirement of the Sea Harrier in 2006....

...The first phase of Exercise Gallic Strike saw Queen Elizabeth and Charles de Gaulle take part in a 'cat and mouse' style war game, with each task group testing the other's abilities lo protect and defend against threats. During the manoeuvres, F-35Bs from both No 617 Squadron and the US Marine Corps' Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211 (VMFA-211) 'Wake Island Avengers' conducted simulated strike missions with French Navy Rafale Ms.

Cmdr Edward Phillips, HMS Queen Elizabeth's Commander Air ('Wings'), served on exchange with the French Navy to develop his carrier strike skills...."

Photo: "A VMFA-211 F-35B launches from HMS Queen Elizabeth while she conducts a double replenishment with RFA Tidespring (A136) and HNLMS Evertsen (F805) in the South China Sea on July 29, 2021”


Source: AirForces Monthly September 2021 Issue 402
Attachments
F-35B UK Choppy Waters AirForces Monthly Sep 2021 OCR pp7.pdf
(7.5 MiB) Downloaded 40 times
QEdoubleReplenishmentF-35Blaunch.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post31 Aug 2021, 19:59

For anyone interested in 'navalnews' of the UK kind and allies then this is the beesknees:
6 Naval Task Groups From U.S., U.K., India, Japan and Australia Underway in Pacific 30 Aug 2021 Dzirhan Mahadzir
https://news.usni.org/2021/08/30/6-nava ... in-pacific

Photo: "HMS Queen Elizabeth (R-08) on Aug. 30, 2021. UK Royal Navy Photo" [note exhaust marks on ski jump lip] https://news.usni.org/wp-content/upload ... Uk2JO.jpeg
Attachments
QE31aug2021.jpg
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post03 Sep 2021, 04:58

U.S., U.K. F-35s Drill in the Western Pacific
02 Sep 2021 Dzirhan Mahadzir

"KUALA LUMPUR – Aircraft from carrier USS Carl Vinson (CVN-70) flew interoperability exercises over the Philippine Sea on Aug. 26 with U.S. Marine Corps and Royal Air Force F-35B Lightning II Joint Strike Fighters from the U.K. Royal Navy’s Queen Elizabeth Carrier Strike Group 21 (CSG 21), the Navy announced this week.

Four Navy F-35C from Strike Fight Squadron (VFA) 147; five F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, assigned to Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 2 and 192; two EA-18G Growlers, from Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 136; and one E-2D Advanced Hawkeye, from Airborne Command and Control Squadron (VAW) participated in the drills, in addition to 113 aircraft from CSG 21 [???]. The aircraft from the U.K. carrier included two U.S. F-35Bs from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211 and two F-35Bs from U.K. Royal Air Force 617 Squadron “The Dambusters.”

The exercise was one of the largest deployed collections of fifth-generation fighters, as both the U.S. and U.K. have begun to operate their F-35s in the Western Pacific. In addition to the aircraft on Vinson, Marine F-35Bs embarked on the America Amphibious Ready Group are operating in the region.

“In a very short amount of time, we were able to seamlessly combine the collective 5th generation capabilities of joint strike fighter aircraft from two services and a partner nation together with the rest of the advanced capabilities of our entire air wing,” Capt. Tommy Locke, the commander of CVW-2, said in a news release. “Our strike group and air wing arrived in the Indo-Pacific ready to demonstrate the value of having agile 5th generation maritime power in the region – and make no doubt, we are ready to win.”..."

Source: https://news.usni.org/2021/09/02/u-s-u- ... rn-pacific
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline
User avatar

steve2267

Elite 2K

Elite 2K

  • Posts: 2990
  • Joined: 12 Jun 2016, 17:36

Unread post03 Sep 2021, 05:13

Lighting drone swarms must have been activated.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
Offline

zhangmdev

Senior member

Senior member

  • Posts: 360
  • Joined: 01 May 2017, 09:07

Unread post05 Sep 2021, 17:12

The British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth will make a port call from Saturday to Thursday at a U.S. naval base in Japan’s Yokosuka

While at Yokosuka, the 1,240 crew members will not disembark from the carrier, according to Yokosuka City.
Attachments
E-gN1M3VEAgm-F_ format=jpg&name=4096x4096.jpg
r08 Yokosuka
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 7786
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post05 Sep 2021, 22:51

zhangmdev wrote:The British aircraft carrier HMS Queen Elizabeth will make a port call from Saturday to Thursday at a U.S. naval base in Japan’s Yokosuka

While at Yokosuka, the 1,240 crew members will not disembark from the carrier, according to Yokosuka City.



The word gets around.....


https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/mili ... e-why-not/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45463703

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2018/09/1 ... ayor-says/

etc.etc.etc.
Offline
User avatar

spazsinbad

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 26380
  • Joined: 05 May 2009, 21:31
  • Location: ɐıןɐɹʇsn∀¯\_(ツ)_/¯
  • Warnings: -2

Unread post06 Sep 2021, 01:34

'Corsair1963' I'll guess the current flare-up of the COVID-19 PANDEMIC infection rate in Japan (after the Orympics) has a lot to do with it. YOUR headlines 'bout 'drunken UK sailors in 'merica' was proven to be a STORM IN A TEACUP at the time.

One can probably still see the 'drunken USN Sailors / Marines / USAF personnel' stories in KINGSbloodyCROSS Sydney Australia during the Vietnam War when on R&R. Fewer port visits these days -I could wonder why- but that would be silly.
A4G Skyhawk: www.faaaa.asn.au/spazsinbad-a4g/ & www.youtube.com/channel/UCwqC_s6gcCVvG7NOge3qfAQ/videos?view_as=subscriber
Offline

Corsair1963

Elite 5K

Elite 5K

  • Posts: 7786
  • Joined: 19 Dec 2005, 04:14

Unread post06 Sep 2021, 02:08

spazsinbad wrote:'Corsair1963' I'll guess the current flare-up of the COVID-19 PANDEMIC infection rate in Japan (after the Orympics) has a lot to do with it. YOUR headlines 'bout 'drunken UK sailors in 'merica' was proven to be a STORM IN A TEACUP at the time.

One can probably still see the 'drunken USN Sailors / Marines / USAF personnel' stories in KINGSbloodyCROSS Sydney Australia during the Vietnam War when on R&R. Fewer port visits these days -I could wonder why- but that would be silly.



I am sure Cov-19 was part of the equation. As for the sources I posted I didn't write them. Nor, did I say American Soldiers, Sailors, or Marines were any better.
PreviousNext

Return to Program and politics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 17 guests