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Unread post31 May 2021, 23:18

go4long wrote:
weasel1962 wrote:Just wanted to highlight that 48A, 17B & 20C for lot 16 (FY22) will bring the USAF/USMC/USN F-35 funded totals to 508A, 176B and 135C.

That will mean that if program totals are maintained at 48A, 16B and 20C annually, it would take until years 2049 (USAF) and 2032 (USMC/USN) to complete the original program totals of 1763A, 353B, 353C respectively. USMC/USN is per currently planned but USAF timelines looks like slipping due to the drop in annual buys from 60 to 48. USMC buys has not catered for the changes in force design 2030 yet. Budget docs have removed all projected buys going forward presumably in view of the possible upcoming program changes.


It's not a drop...at least not necessarily in the way that it seems like a drop. I believe the budgeted "wish list" for FY2021 was also 48 F-35A, with congress bumping it up to 60. It's been discussed in a few places that one of the contributing factors to the parts supply chain stress on the F-35 that's been well documented was that they were taking 25% more aircraft than forecast each year.



Of course assuming the USAF get more F-35's in 2022 like they did in 2021.....Which, they likely will but as always. The devil is in the details!
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Unread post11 Jun 2021, 04:13

F-35 Supply Chain Recovering From COVID Slowdown, Lockheed’s New JSF Chief Says
10 Jun 2021 Marcus Weisgerber

"2021 deliveries could return almost to the level once planned for 2020.

The F-35 stealth fighter supply chain is returning to “more of a normal operation” after a year of COVID-19-induced delays and closures, according to the Lockheed Martin executive who is newly overseeing the Pentagon’s most expensive weapons project.

“We're seeing the return of a good portion of the workforce back into normal operations,” Bridget Lauderdale, Lockheed Martin vice president and general manager of the F-35 program, said in an interview Wednesday. “As you watch the news every night, there are still impacts out there, but I would say that, for the most part, we're seeing the recovery of that supply chain.”

COVID-related supply chain problems and factory closures led Lockheed to slow F-35 assembly. The company delivered 120 aircraft last year to the U.S. military and international customers, short of the planned 141. Currently, company officials expect to deliver 133 to 139 F-35s in 2021, Lauderdale said.... [more on HOW]

...Lockheed has also secured suppliers for some 900-plus parts that were manufactured in Turkey, which the U.S. kicked out of the F-35 program in 2019 after Ankara received S-400 missile interceptors from Russia. “At this time, we have stood up alternate sources for all of the parts that we had received from or were receiving from Turkey,” Lauderdale said.

Turkey will still supply F-35 parts to Lockheed until March 2022, she said. Removing Turkey from the F-35 program will increase the cost of the plane’s F135 engine 3 percent, Matthew Bromberg, president of Pratt & Whitney’s military engines business, told lawmakers in April."

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Unread post26 Jul 2021, 22:20

Inflation might bring an end to F-35A cost reductions, although LM thinks B and C won't be affected: https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-07-26/
Kenneth Possenriede, Lockheed's CFO, told analysts in a conference call that "due to where we are in learning, due to where we are with inflation and due to where we are with the added capabilities that they want on the aircraft, it is likely you'll see an increase in prices, a modest increase in prices of where we are today."

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Possenriede said the price for B and C variants would likely "either stay where it is or continue to come down the learning curve."
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Unread post27 Jul 2021, 02:28

quicksilver wrote:https://www.investors.com/news/lockheed-stock-lockheed-earnings-q2-2021-f35/?src=A00220&yptr=yahoo

Hmm.


He later told Reuters that the classified program will "cost more and take longer" than anticipated. Once it goes into production, "there'll be other pieces of this thing that will make this a strong business case for us."


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Unread post27 Sep 2021, 16:36

Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Agree to F-35 Production Rebaseline
27 Sep 2021 LM PR

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 27, 2021 – The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) and the Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) industry team have agreed on an F-35 production re-baseline that ensures predictability and stability in the production process while recovering the aircraft shortfall realized over the last year during the COVID-19 pandemic.

With this agreement, Lockheed Martin is scheduled to deliver 133-139 aircraft this year, 151-153 aircraft in 2022 and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future.

More than 700 F-35s have been delivered and are operating from 21 bases around the globe. More than 1,460 pilots and 11,025 maintainers have been trained and the F-35 fleet has surpassed 430,000 cumulative flight hours.

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Unread post27 Sep 2021, 18:37

Spaz, Is that still considered Low Rate Initial Production? If so, what would Full Rate Production be if it is ever approved?
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Unread post27 Sep 2021, 19:20

F-35 FRP has not been approved because simulation JSE certification (whatever it is called) has not been carried out. Complicated scenarios envisaged:
F-35 Production Set at 156 Per Year Until Completion
27 Sep 2021

"Lockheed Martin and the F-35 Joint Program Office have agreed that F-35 production will peak at 156 planes per year in 2023 and remain at that level “for the foreseeable future.” The JPO and Lockheed Martin have agreed to a “rebaselining” of the program that “ensures predictability and stability in the production process” of the F-35, the company said in a press release.

Lockheed Martin will deliver “133-139 aircraft this year [calendar 2021], 151-153 aircraft in 2022, and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future,” it announced. The company did not say how many of each variant will be delivered. Defense officials have said the pre-pandemic goal was to achieve deliveries of 155 airplanes a year by the end of 2022....

...A company spokesman said the announcement is not an indication that a deal has been reached on Lot 15-17 negotiations, which continue. Program Executive Officer Air Force Lt. Gen. Eric T. Fick said earlier this month that he hoped to achieve an agreement on Lot 15-17 by the end of October but that negotiations could stretch out longer.

Both Fick and Lockheed Martin have said Lot 15-17 may not see the same year-over-year unit cost reductions in the F-35 because Lot 15 and beyond yield the Block 4 upgrade of the jet, with new and more complex capabilities.

The announcement also does not indicate that the F-35 has achieved “full-rate production” status, usually declared by the Pentagon after a program has satisfied the operational test community that it meets requirements. The Pentagon delayed the declaration of full rate to allow the F-35 to be integrated with the Joint Simulation Environment, a wargaming platform that measures the jet’s performance in highly classified conditions. While establishing a peak production rate for the F-35 is a de facto “full-rate” declaration, absent the official status, the program can’t officially enter into multiyear procurement contracts, which can reduce costs by buying materials in economic quantities. The F-35 partners already benefit from a “block buy” approach similar to a multiyear deal. However, by setting a peak production rate, a multiyear deal may be moot.

The Air Force has signaled that it will buy about five fewer F-35s per year over the next few years, preferring to wait for the Block 4 jets as they start coming off the production line in fiscal 2023. It did not include the F-35 on its “unfunded priorities list” submitted to Congress, which has added 12 jets per year to the Air Force’s request for 48 jets in the last few years.

The Air Force currently fields about 300 of its planned 1,763 F-35s. If it continued to buy the jets at a rate of 48 per year, it would complete its purchases of the fighter in the early 2050s. Original plans called for the Air Force to buy F-35s at a rate of 110 per year starting in the mid-2010s. Current plans do not forecast an Air Force production increase before 2025 at the earliest...."

Photo: "More than 300,000 parts from the aerospace industry go into the F-35’s assembly. Here, the jet comes together at the Fort Worth, Texas, Lockheed Martin production facility. Lockheed Martin photo by Alexander H. Groves via Flickr." https://www.airforcemag.com/app/uploads ... teners.jpg


Source: https://www.airforcemag.com/f-35-produc ... ompletion/ [/quote]
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Unread post28 Sep 2021, 09:32

spazsinbad wrote:
Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Agree to F-35 Production Rebaseline
27 Sep 2021 LM PR

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 27, 2021 – The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) and the Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) industry team have agreed on an F-35 production re-baseline that ensures predictability and stability in the production process while recovering the aircraft shortfall realized over the last year during the COVID-19 pandemic.

With this agreement, Lockheed Martin is scheduled to deliver 133-139 aircraft this year, 151-153 aircraft in 2022 and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future.

More than 700 F-35s have been delivered and are operating from 21 bases around the globe. More than 1,460 pilots and 11,025 maintainers have been trained and the F-35 fleet has surpassed 430,000 cumulative flight hours.

Source: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-featur ... eline.html


So next year the number of F-35s produced will be higher than Super Hornet and Growler combined or Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale combined. That's pretty awesome "low rate initianl production" death spiral... :shock: :D
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Unread post28 Sep 2021, 12:10

Those numbers have to scare Russia and China combined.
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Unread post28 Sep 2021, 15:23

hornetfinn wrote:
spazsinbad wrote:
Pentagon and Lockheed Martin Agree to F-35 Production Rebaseline
27 Sep 2021 LM PR

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Sept. 27, 2021 – The F-35 Joint Program Office (JPO) and the Lockheed Martin (NYSE: LMT) industry team have agreed on an F-35 production re-baseline that ensures predictability and stability in the production process while recovering the aircraft shortfall realized over the last year during the COVID-19 pandemic.

With this agreement, Lockheed Martin is scheduled to deliver 133-139 aircraft this year, 151-153 aircraft in 2022 and anticipates delivering 156 aircraft beginning in 2023 and for the foreseeable future.

More than 700 F-35s have been delivered and are operating from 21 bases around the globe. More than 1,460 pilots and 11,025 maintainers have been trained and the F-35 fleet has surpassed 430,000 cumulative flight hours.

Source: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-featur ... eline.html


So next year the number of F-35s produced will be higher than Super Hornet and Growler combined or Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale combined. That's pretty awesome "low rate initianl production" death spiral... :shock: :D


you forgot the Gripen...you can add that to either total and still be correct.
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Unread post28 Sep 2021, 21:12

Another look at the Fort Worth LM F-35 production line: https://www.f35.com/f35/news-and-featur ... eline.html
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 16:41

Imagine seeing B-24, B-32, B-36, B-58, F-111, F-16 all on that same line.
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 18:14

that's a lot of hsitory
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Unread post29 Sep 2021, 20:38

I had to go lookup "B-32". :oops:
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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