Engine shortage is newest problem to hit F-35 enterprise

All about the Pratt & Whitney F135 and the (cancelled) General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136
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Unread post19 Jul 2021, 14:44

Nice of Oriana to update the story with the e-mailed comments from the manufacturer's spokesperson (P&W?). Leaves me wondering, though, if she had given the manufacturer opportunity to comment before original publication.
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post19 Jul 2021, 20:23

steve2267 wrote:Nice of Oriana to update the story with the e-mailed comments from the manufacturer's spokesperson (P&W?). Leaves me wondering, though, if she had given the manufacturer opportunity to comment before original publication.



it could be nefarious, it could also be she hit her deadline before they got back to her.
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Unread post19 Jul 2021, 21:37

XanderCrews wrote:
steve2267 wrote:Nice of Oriana to update the story with the e-mailed comments from the manufacturer's spokesperson (P&W?). Leaves me wondering, though, if she had given the manufacturer opportunity to comment before original publication.



it could be nefarious, it could also be she hit her deadline before they got back to her.


This is true. Though I have read other journalists at least put in a boilerplate "We reached out to so-and-so, but they had not gotten back to us / returned our e-mail by our publishing deadline." (At least they tried, or so they said. But then you have the ones that send an e-mail one hour before deadline. "Oh well, they didn't get back to us" -- we just won't mention we only contacted them one hour before deadline."
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post19 Jul 2021, 21:41

I think this subcommittee covers the engines and other issues enough and is recent. 14th July. Of course there is one guy saying you can't cut the A-10.



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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 05:58

The A-10 will never die.

It will be here forever.
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 06:18

edpop wrote:The A-10 will never die.

It will be here forever.



Not exactly a good thing, but that's fine
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 07:48

The A-10 would already be gone. If, we could afford to replace them now.......


If, some think the US Congress is serious about keeping the A-10 to support the troops. Then they need to cut back on their Medication.....


The only reason the A-10 is still around is because of "JOBS" nothing else.
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 15:27

steve2267 wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
steve2267 wrote:Nice of Oriana to update the story with the e-mailed comments from the manufacturer's spokesperson (P&W?). Leaves me wondering, though, if she had given the manufacturer opportunity to comment before original publication.



it could be nefarious, it could also be she hit her deadline before they got back to her.


This is true. Though I have read other journalists at least put in a boilerplate "We reached out to so-and-so, but they had not gotten back to us / returned our e-mail by our publishing deadline." (At least they tried, or so they said. But then you have the ones that send an e-mail one hour before deadline. "Oh well, they didn't get back to us" -- we just won't mention we only contacted them one hour before deadline."



good point
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 15:39

Corsair1963 wrote:The A-10 would already be gone. If, we could afford to replace them now.......


If, some think the US Congress is serious about keeping the A-10 to support the troops. Then they need to cut back on their Medication.....


The only reason the A-10 is still around is because of "JOBS" nothing else.


for most politicians thats what support the troops means. :mrgreen: There was such a dust up over A-10 in the mid 2010s because the air force was told "no more iraqistans/pivot to the pacific" and the USAF, those silly gooses actually thought that meant "no more iraqistans/pivot to the pacific" and then they got slayed for knowing that an A-10 won't last 5 seconds over an actual non permissive environment and it should be retired in that case.

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It was pretty nasty set up and the man pictured above I thought handled it really well all things considered. Assuming of course, that its not a "budget hostage" which might be the A-10s true value. Every time they talk cuts now, the USAF will trot that A-10 out as first to be cut and congress will rally for more budget.

like a carefully crafted theater drama, the only question is just how much both sides know its a game or if there is geniune surprise as people fall into the pre selected roles.

remember we all know that public hearings are theater, the real stuff happens when cameras are off behind closed doors. Which means when youre watching a public hearing you're watching actors playing their roles.

McCain: and then I get real mad! and you say "but senator, we don't have the money!" and I'll say: You can't do CAS with a B-1!!

Welch: got it!

like I said how much is scripted, and how much is improv... Well I guess I leave that to the observer.
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Unread post20 Jul 2021, 18:25

If only the Air Farce could use those A-10 funds to, you know, fund other things. Like syphon off those A-10 funds to fund other pressing needs.

Rep Smith: "General, I asked you where those A-10F funds went? What did you spend them on?"

General Fuddy: "Sir, as you know, the A-10 is beloved by Congress and our men and women on the ground. They deserve the best CAS we can give them. As you may not be aware sir, the A-10 won't last 5 seconds on the modern battlefield. Those funds were spent to accelerate the Block 6 upgrades to the F-35, thus enabling the F-35 to not only drop a warhead precisely on the Chinamen's, sorry -- bad actor's forehead, but to protect the A-10 so that it can continue to put on fancy aerobatics to sustain the ground warfighter's morale."

Rep Smith: "Well.... very good then."
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 14:36

P&W says. 8)
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/pw ... ce-backlog
P&W proposes F-35 engine upgrade options, works to reduce maintenance backlog
By Courtney Albon, Aidan Quigley / July 14, 2021
Pratt & Whitney is pitching a set of F135 engine upgrade options for the Joint Strike Fighter the company says could save the government billions in future sustainment costs and provide the engine performance needed to support Block 4 capabilities. The F-35 joint program office has not established a formal requirement for an F135 engine upgrade or replacement, but as part of a study to inform that process, it commissioned proposals from engine-maker Pratt & Whitney. The company in March...
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Unread post23 Jul 2021, 14:38

More engine depots are coming... 8)
https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/ ... omponents/
TAE Aerospace achieves IDC status for Pratt & Whitney F-35 engine components
By APDR Staff -20/07/2021
TAE Aerospace announced it has successfully achieved Initial Depot Capability (IDC) requirements for the repair of the Pratt & Whitney F135 engine fan and power modules, which power all three variants of the 5th Generation F-35 Lightning II fighter aircraft. With this achievement, TAE Aerospace’s F135 Maintenance, Repair, Overhaul and Upgrade (MRO&U) facility, or depot, in Australia becomes the first operational F135 engine depot in the Asia-Pacific region and has begun supporting the repair of fan and power modules for the fleet.
The module IDC milestone was reached with the completion of a full rebuild of an F135 power module at TAE Aerospace’s Queensland facility. This achievement follows the company’s successful fan module repair qualification in 2020.
According to TAE Aerospace’s CEO, Andrew Sanderson, achieving module IDC marks a critical point in the development of a regional F135 engine MRO&U capability. As an operational F135 engine depot outside of the US, TAE Aerospace will support engines for all F-35 operators in the Asia-Pacific region under the F-35’s Global Support System.
“The investment made by the Commonwealth of Australia and TAE Aerospace over the past five years will result in benefits for both Australia, with an important sovereign industrial capability now available in country, as well as at the local level, with the creation of many jobs over the coming years,” Sanderson said.
“We congratulate the TAE Aerospace team on reaching this critical sustainment milestone for the F135 engine,” said O Sung Kwon, vice president, Pratt & Whitney Military Engines Sustainment Operations. “The activation of the Australia depot will bring increased capacity to the global F135 MRO&U network in support of the growing fleet. Standing up the regional MRO&U depots is an integral part of the enterprise’s strategy to accelerate capacity growth across the F135 MRO&U network to exceed program requirements.”

Since being assigned the Asia-Pacific region’s F135 engine MRO&U responsibility in 2015, TAE Aerospace, Pratt & Whitney and the Australian Government have delivered a broad range of initiatives to stand up this regional capability including:
    The development of TAE Aerospace’s new 16,000 sqm Turbine Engine Maintenance Facility (TEMF) in Bundamba, Queensland.
    The completion of the first F135 fan module repair outside of the United States in February 2020.
    The completion of the first power module repair outside of the United States in May 2021.
Sanderson said that all three organisations have worked closely over the past six years to achieve fan and power module IDC in the Asia-Pacific region, a major milestone for the program. “Strong partnerships between the Commonwealth, global OEMs, and Australian industry are fundamental to supporting airpower capability in our region. Close collaboration has enabled us to stand up this important capability in time, underpinning Australia’s goal to achieve a sovereign MRO&U capability for the F135 engine.”
“Pratt & Whitney has a long-standing relationship with TAE Aerospace that dates back to the 1990’s on the F-111 Aardvark program, where TAE was the engineering authority for our TF30 engine and maintenance provider for the RAAF,” added Kwon. “We’re thrilled to build on this partnership with the F135 engine for the F-35 fighter, which will be the centerpiece of allied air power in the Asia-Pacific for years to come.”
The 5th Generation F135 is the most advanced and most powerful fighter engine in the world, featuring a host of performance attributes that deliver a step change in capability over 4th Generation engines. This includes 40,000+ pounds of thrust; a 50 percent increase in thermal management capacity enabling the full spectrum of F-35 weapons and sensor capabilities; a precise and responsive integrated engine control system allowing the pilot to focus squarely on the mission; and an unmatched low observable signature enabling the F-35 to conduct operations in modern Anti-Access/Area Denial (A2AD) environments.
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