F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post13 Feb 2021, 03:22

Another oldie but goldie RAFALE M info 4 page PDF of article from 2019 attached.
MISSION CLEMENCEAU
Jun 2019 Joris van Boven & Alex van Noye

"The French Navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle was back at sea in March [2019] with its air wing embarked for Operation 'Chammal', involving Rafale Ms in action against the so-called Islamic State. REPORT AND PHOTOS Joris van Boven and Alex van Noye..."

Source: Combat Aircraft Magazine June 2019 Volume 20 Number 6
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Unread post20 Feb 2021, 13:31

Dassault Aviation and finnish VARJO teamed to work on Augmented and Virtual reality :
https://varjo.com/blog/case-dassault-av ... -training/
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Unread post28 Feb 2021, 09:09

UK / France - Lancaster House exercise between French Air Force Rafale F3R and British RAF F-35 a few days ago.
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Unread post01 Mar 2021, 09:50

herciv wrote:Dassault Aviation and finnish VARJO teamed to work on Augmented and Virtual reality :
https://varjo.com/blog/case-dassault-av ... -training/


Nice information, thank you! Nice to see that Finnish companies are involved with this kind of activities. I know Varjo has really good products, probably one of the very best in their field.

Lockheed Martin also uses their products for simulation systems:
https://varjo.com/blog/prepar3d-adds-su ... -trainers/

https://www.prepar3d.com/p3d-developer- ... 04/116357/
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Unread post01 Mar 2021, 10:17

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Unread post01 Mar 2021, 16:38

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Rafales coo, "Look at me... sleek, sexy, beeyooootiful curves..."

Panthers growl, "I'm hungry, let's eat something..."
Take an F-16, stir in A-7, dollop of F-117, gob of F-22, dash of F/A-18, sprinkle with AV-8B, stir well + bake. Whaddya get? F-35.
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Unread post02 Mar 2021, 12:56

I saw this on another site. I haven't been following it much. It's said to be $125m turn key.

France begins backfilling its Rafale fleet after selling some to Greece
Contracts to Dassault Aviation, Safran (the engine manufacturer) and Thales (the electronics) will be sent out by the DGA procurement agency in the next few days. While no price tag was given during Parly’s announcement, Trappier has previously said one fully equipped fighter costs around 100 million euros, or $121 million, which would put the total package at just under $1.5 billion.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/euro ... ium=social
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Unread post08 Mar 2021, 00:04

France has flown an operational flight with the Meteor air to air missile.

https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2021/03/f ... klN+(SNAFU!)
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 03:50

talkitron wrote:France has flown an operational flight with the Meteor air to air missile.

https://www.snafu-solomon.com/2021/03/f ... klN+(SNAFU!)

They probably have, unfortunately the site linked isn't credible and there is no link from Soloman's site to a credible source. At this point, it is hearsay.

I got curious.
https://idrw.org/french-rafale-fighter- ... 20missiles.
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 09:38

A more reliable source confirming that Meteor has flown on Rafale:

https://air-cosmos.com/article/le-rafal ... -jeu-24359

(won't let me copy/paste).

They also say that F4 should be ready by 2024, including AI, improved sensor fusion, new tactical datalink, Tragedac (whatever that is), improved protection against cyber attacks, 1000kg AASM, MICA NG, and a new jammer (INCAS).

MLU is planned for 2035.

Rafale looks very good.
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 11:48

TRAGEDAC have something to see with that but not only :

http://www.portail-aviation.com/blog/20 ... ar-passif/
We explained in this article the interest of passive radars for the detection of stealth aircraft. Let us recall that a great part of the stealth of the said planes is related to their capacity to deviate the radar waves in a direction other than that of the transmitter.

Indeed, passive radars have the ability to detect disturbances due to waves reflected by an object while they are emitted by "non-cooperative transmitters" (TNT, radios etc.).

Thus, as explained in this diagram from a presentation of the DGA, passive radars can detect flying objects.
http://i1.wp.com/www.portail-aviation.c ... passif.png

This type of radar is today experimentally used for the regulation of civil aviation. One example is the Thales HA 100, presented in 2007 and used, among other things, during the July 14 parade for protection.

A few days ago, the French Air Force issued a press release, and I quote:

"On Friday, October 16, 2015, the first flight of an airborne passive radar took place at Air Force Base 701 in Salon-de-Provence. This flight follows the first promising ground tests of the complete system, which took place in the spring of the same year.

Since 2013, the École de l'Air has been conducting research on passive radar detection applied to the third dimension. This project, the first of this scale conducted on a national level, of a level rarely achieved worldwide, brings together the French Air Force Research Center (CReA), the National Office for Space Studies and Research (ONERA), and the SONDRA laboratory - an alliance between ONERA and the Centrale-Supélec School - around the thesis of Major Clément, who teaches signal processing and telecommunications at the École de l'air. This project is locally supervised by Dr. Agnès Santori, teacher-researcher at CReA.

This recent technology offers the ability to detect possible airborne threats at low altitude and low speed, while remaining discreet. The main feature of this radar system is that it acts only as a receiver and uses the electromagnetic emissions already present in the environment. In fact, it exploits the echoes created by civilian transmitters such as those of digital terrestrial television (DTT).
The experimental aircraft used for these tests is ONERA's Busard motor-glider. The latter has embarked the complete reception system specially developed for the project, which can be integrated into the aircraft's nacelle.

This 2-hour first flight took place in the Salon-de-Provence - Orange - Aix-en-Provence area to take advantage of the DTT transmitters of Marseille Grande Étoile and Mont Ventoux. These tests enabled the electronic part of the system to be validated.

An important stage in the project has thus just been completed. The integrity of the data has been validated and their exploitation by the project team is underway in order to continue the development of processing adapted to the airborne environment".

For the moment, this is therefore only an experiment designed to detect slow targets at low speed. But considering the various AEPs of the Rafale (in particular Tragedac), one can assume a future military application of this type of radar, which would allow the detector aircraft to detect... without emitting, so-called "stealth" aircraft.

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https://www.defense.gouv.fr/actualites/ ... t-tragedac

Tragedac must also rely on the OSF and SPECTRA :
https://www.journal-aviation.com/actual ... -le-rafale
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 12:20

rafale F4 - 2015 armement avancés - nouvelle propulsion
incas : for lauched electromagnetic decoy (not tracked since tacked decoy doesn't enable all maneuvres.
tragedac : see above
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CARAA & MELBA for enhanced RBE2 modes (will explain next post)
rafale F5 - version finale 2020-2025 Projet dedira (dicret rafale), coque furtive, nouvelle couche ram, dualité avec les drone, si ce n'est pas le standard suivant avec un rafale F6.
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 12:28

This is what I found about Tragedac:
https://www.journal-aviation.com/actual ... -le-rafale

That doesn't allow copy-paste... It seems like it's meant for improving data sharing of passive sensor data between Rafales. Sounds like transmitting more and higher quality data between Rafales and using it for sensor fusion to give improved SA.

Just found another:
https://www.air-cosmos.com/article/bour ... alon-20695

No copy-paste either but gives similar info.
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Unread post09 Mar 2021, 12:41

hornetfinn wrote:This is what I found about Tragedac:
https://www.journal-aviation.com/actual ... -le-rafale

That doesn't allow copy-paste... It seems like it's meant for improving data sharing of passive sensor data between Rafales. Sounds like transmitting more and higher quality data between Rafales and using it for sensor fusion to give improved SA.

Just found another:
https://www.air-cosmos.com/article/bour ... alon-20695

No copy-paste either but gives similar info.


Yes TRAGEDAC is mainly about passive radar id est : using civil electromagnetic emmision
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