F-35 Lightning II vs Dassault Rafale

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post05 May 2021, 23:34

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No, it doesn't because you would never have 18 available........you would need 18 Rafales to support a Squadron of 12 aircraft.



The math hasn't changed in decades...........

I don't make the math for rafale squadron. I just tell you that currently every rafales squadrons in the world have a 18 rafales size at the notable exception of Egypt who had 2 squadrons each with 12 rafales.



Here's a good question.....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???
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Unread post05 May 2021, 23:56

Corsair1963 wrote:
Here's a good question.....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???


,,, With or without some of the 70+ operational USMC aircraft on board?

That would be more than France can get on CdG, forget Egypt... F-35 numbers worldwide now dwarf all other "competitors," and are wheeling out the door faster than all the others combined. UK is connected to that fleet and can max out a task force if the need arises. .... Can Egypt?

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Unread post06 May 2021, 00:08

blindpilot wrote:
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Here's a good question.....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???


,,, With or without some of the 70+ operational USMC aircraft on board?

That would be more than France can get on CdG, forget Egypt... F-35 numbers worldwide now dwarf all other "competitors," and are wheeling out the door faster than all the others combined. UK is connected to that fleet and can max out a task force if the need arises. .... Can Egypt?

Just saying,
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How many Rafale M's does the French Navy have vs what the squadrons "actually" operate.....
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Unread post06 May 2021, 14:12

Just for the sake of information, the deal also include 2 A330 MRTT and a communication satellite.
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Unread post10 May 2021, 10:09

A new contract for 36 rafale with Jakarta ?


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Unread post10 May 2021, 16:39

Corsair1963 wrote:
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Here's a good question.....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???


,,, With or without some of the 70+ operational USMC aircraft on board? ....


How many Rafale M's does the French Navy have vs what the squadrons "actually" operate.....


That would be 42 total built, with 14-24 max deployed on CdG when at sea. The Brits are close to being able to match that without USMC help, but as seen with this deployment ... > 14 on QE2 is available now.

Corsair1963 wrote: .....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???

At this time 18 aircraft in two squadrons. (+ 3 in US for testing )

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Unread post10 May 2021, 23:25

blindpilot wrote:

Here's a good question.....how many F-35B's does the UK have in service at this moment???



That would be 42 total built, with 14-24 max deployed on CdG when at sea. The Brits are close to being able to match that without USMC help, but as seen with this deployment ... > 14 on QE2 is available now.

At this time 18 aircraft in two squadrons. (+ 3 in US for testing )



Thank You.......

In short they only are able to deploy a small number of the actual aircraft that they posses.......
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Unread post11 May 2021, 00:49

Seems silly to suggest that the UK can ONLY deploy ONLY those F-35Bs onboard at moment. The UK demonstrated forming a new Harrier squadron with odds & sods aircraft/personnel for the Falklands War. How about the UK CHOSE to deploy some F-35Bs because THEY KNEW years ago that an USMC F-35B squadron would be onboard as per a signed agreement.
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spazsinbad wrote:Seems silly to suggest that the UK can ONLY deploy ONLY those F-35Bs onboard at moment. The UK demonstrated forming a new Harrier squadron with odds & sods aircraft/personnel for the Falklands War. How about the UK CHOSE to deploy some F-35Bs because THEY KNEW years ago that an USMC F-35B squadron would be onboard as per a signed agreement.



Sure that is the reason........
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Unread post11 May 2021, 02:17

IS that a question? IF SO where is the question mark? Otherwise are you making a statement? Read the UK / F-35B thread.
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Unread post11 May 2021, 06:07

F-35 coming for Atlantic Trident (also f-22 and Typhoon)
https://twitter.com/Rotorfocus/status/1 ... 7602803718

And this one is for f-22 ?
https://twitter.com/2212leigh/status/13 ... 3337857026
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Unread post11 May 2021, 14:23

Corsair1963 wrote:How many Rafale M's does the French Navy have vs what the squadrons "actually" operate.....


More or less yes but here are some more explanations :
Only 47 Rafale M were produced and transferred to the Navy?

The M1 is reserved for testing, 3 others were lost, so there are only 43 available.

From this number, some are taken for training at Saint Dizier and some others are immobilized for long term maintenance ... let's immobilize 7 for the beauty of the round number.

This leaves only 36 aircraft to rig three flotillas.

At 18 aircraft per flotilla, you have one of them twiddling its thumbs while the other two are in action.

With 12 aircraft per flotilla, you have one maintaining its qualifications in Landivisiau while the other two are in action on the PAN with their full complement.

And if you want to go up to 18 aircraft per flotilla, you're about 20 aircraft short (6 more per unit, and probably a couple more for training/maintenance/attrition).

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blindpilot wrote: That would be 42 total built, with 14-24 max deployed on CdG when at sea. The Brits are close to being able to match that without USMC help, but as seen with this deployment ... > 14 on QE2 is available now.

CdG was build to carry 40 rafales (without E2C or panther). Here You can see that 30 + 2 E2C + 2 Panthers (one taking the photo) and in the hangard you can put 16 rafales.
https://ams3.digitaloceanspaces.com/rew ... 96e885.jpg

Some sailors also are saying that they can put some more (should be 2 or three)
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Unread post12 May 2021, 06:39

A least 6 F-35 have arrived in France for a major Exercices Atlantic Trident. They will stay 15 days.
https://www.airforcemag.com/hill-f-35s- ... c-trident/
Hill F-35s Deploy to France for ‘Atlantic Trident’
May 11, 2021 | By Brian W. Everstine

F-35s and Airmen from Hill Air Force Base, Utah, deployed to Europe this week to take part in multiple exercises, including a major France-led air exercise focused on integrating fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft.

The F-35s from the 4th Fighter Squadron touched down at Mont-de-Marsan Air Base, France, on May 10. The squadron is made up of Active-duty Airmen from the 388th Fighter Wing and Reservists from the 419th Fighter Wing. The base is hosting Atlantic Trident 21, which runs May 17-28, with participants from the U.S., France, and the United Kingdom.

This is the third iteration of the exercise, which will include “complex air operations in a contested multinational joint force environment,” according to a U.S. Air Forces in Europe release.

The last Atlantic Trident exercise took place in May 2017 and was hosted at Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia. That event included U.S. F-22s and F-35s along with Eurofighter Typhoons from the United Kingdom and French Rafales. The first exercise took place in 2015, also at Langley.

This is the 388th Fighter Wing’s third deployment to Europe. The 34th Fighter Squadron deployed to RAF Lakenheath, England, in April 2017, and the 421st Fighter Squadron deployed to Aviano Air Base, Italy, in May 2019, according to USAFE.

https://www.usafe.af.mil/News/Press-Rel ... base-fran/
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Unread post13 May 2021, 08:41

Nice video from the f-35 departure from UTAH and arrival in France
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxGL49y9_KA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UanrPoNN8P0
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Unread post13 May 2021, 19:04

That's really a big deploiement : 12 f-35A.
https://www.key.aero/article/usaf-f-35a ... ic-trident

Atlantic Trident 21 will take place at Mont-de-Marsan from May 17-28. It is a joint multinational exercise which involves air arms and personnel from France, the UK and the US. The event aims to enhance fourth- and fifth-generation aircraft integration, combat readiness and fighting capabilities by conducting complex air operations in a contested multinational joint force environment.

A dozen F-35As from the 4th FS have deployed to the French base. All with ‘HL’ tail codes, these aircraft comprise serials (in order of arrival): 17-5270 (c/n AF-212); 17-5251 (c/n AF-193); 17-5238 (c/n AF-180); 17-5261 (c/n AF-203); 17-5248 (c/n 190); 17-5252 (c/n AF-194); 17-5259 (c/n AF-201); 17-5268 (c/n AF-210); 17-5253 (c/n AF-195), 15-5196 (c/n AF-171); 17-5243 (c/n AF-185); and 17-5265 (c/n AF-207).

This is the 388th FW’s third F-35A deployment to Europe in recent years. The first saw the 34th FS ‘Rude Rams’ deploy to RAF Lakenheath in Suffolk, UK, in April 2017. The second visit came in May 2019, when the 421st FS ‘Black Widows’ deployed to Aviano Air Base in Italy as a Theater Security Package.
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