F-35 DACT against F-16/18

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post19 Sep 2022, 20:58

Yeah…vanilla intercept training sortie, ‘bvr to wvr transition’ (but no dbfm); would bet that ‘GCI’ is derived from whatever (acmi-like) training system they use.

Steve, ref your question about maneuvering, kinda hard to tell but given the type of sortie (vanilla), their altitude (likely above 20K as target was first called at ‘19K’ and then ‘11:00 low’; stuff doesn’t happen up there like it does at lower altitudes) they’re not ‘going for it’ (my words). I also note that the leading edges are deflected a fair amount and the leading edge extension vortices are noticeable.

All kinda consistent w a vanilla training X.
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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 05:01

quicksilver wrote:Steve, ref your question about maneuvering, kinda hard to tell but given the type of sortie (vanilla), their altitude (likely above 20K as target was first called at ‘19K’ and then ‘11:00 low’; stuff doesn’t happen up there like it does at lower altitudes) they’re not ‘going for it’ (my words). I also note that the leading edges are deflected a fair amount and the leading edge extension vortices are noticeable.


Quick, I'm a little slow tonight. Your first statement(s) say they are not maneuvering hard. But then you note a "fair amount" of LEF extension + the LEX vortices -- aren't those consistent with high alpha / pulling gees? So... they are maneuvering hard, or they are not?

I go back to Hazard moving around in the cockpit a lot as NOT terribly high gees -- maybe 4-6? but not 9.

What am I missing?
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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 05:50

Yeah, I coulda been more clear there…

With hard maneuvering you’d see more dramatic vortex generation and lef movement.

He also wasnt very purposeful in his maneuvering — what we would call ‘arcing’ around the sky.
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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 05:52

I have not seen the video yet but I do like 'ARCING'! :mrgreen:
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Unread post20 Sep 2022, 07:36

Please forgive a comment from someone who knows absolutely nothing about air combat. LEF deflection and LEX vortices aren't necessarily correlated with hard maneuvering. That depends entirely on the airspeed involved. That matches up well with Quicksilver's comment about stuff not happening above 20k like it does at lower altitudes.
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Unread post21 Sep 2022, 16:30

basher54321 wrote:LOL

Got to say the jet that turns up on its 6 looks rather single tail light grey front to me.

F-16.jpg


That may be the wingman instead of the adversary.
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