F-35 vs FC-31

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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by hotpogger » 11 Feb 2021, 03:15

While little is known about the FC-31 and how likely it is to be fielded, what are your thoughts on how it compares to the F-35 and if there are any potential future buyers?

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by jessmo112 » 11 Feb 2021, 03:27

Let's see

1. Engine has barely over 12k lbs of thrust per engine.
I think its about 19 wet.

2. The plane is in the same weight class as an F-35.

3. Even the F-35 was over weight at the start.

4. Its likely that it will be produced with inferior avionics, DAS and radar, due to China pissing off the west and causing a step back in western chip tech.

5. It needed after burner to stay straight and level years ago. Unless they are building it from cardboard or have stolen upgraded engine tech, it will continue.


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by weasel1962 » 11 Feb 2021, 03:45

Brochure source:
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Can refer to an older thread on remaining. Once awhile, a new thread pops up.
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by Corsair1963 » 11 Feb 2021, 03:53

hotpogger wrote:While little is known about the FC-31 and how likely it is to be fielded, what are your thoughts on how it compares to the F-35 and if there are any potential future buyers?



Honestly, I expect the J-31/J-35/FC-31 to be a big success for the PLAAF, PLAN, and even Export. As like the US the Chinese have a big domestic market. Especially, considering the type will likely be used for both the PLA Air Force and Navy.

This is turn will help push down the price and make it even more attractive. Plus, who else offers an affordable Stealth Fighter available to non-Western Customers. (Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc. etc.) So, while not a huge market respectable nonetheless.

As for performance that is a big question mark??? Yet, China has been making very good progress over the last decade and is continuing to improve.

If, I was to speculate. I would predict the F-22/F-35 would still hold a good lead over the J-31 for the foreseeable future. While, the J-31 would hold a similar lead over existing 4/4.5 Generation Fighters.


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by Corsair1963 » 11 Feb 2021, 07:21

China completes construction of medium-thrust aero engine production line

Liu Xuanzun
Published: Feb 10, 2021 12:00 AM


A Chinese arms firm has recently completed construction of a third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line, and analysts said that China can now mass produce warplanes without having to rely on imported engines.

The construction project for the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line has passed an acceptance check following completion of construction, the National Business Daily reported on Monday, citing a statement from Aviation Power Co under the state-owned Aero Engine Corporation of China.

The company is responsible for the development and production of aero engines for military and civilian purposes, with the focus being military products and scientific research for new engines, the company said on its website.

While the statement did not elaborate on the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine, Chinese military observers speculated it could be the WS-13 engine, to be used on warplanes including the JF-17 fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan and China’s second stealth fighter jet the FC-31, which is also rumored to become China’s next generation aircraft carrier-based fighter jet in the future.

China has been importing Russia’s RD-93 engines for these purposes, observers said.

The completion of the production line indicates that China has made breakthroughs in aero engine production, Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Tuesday

China will be able to mass produce the engines, which will allow the mass production of warplanes, Xu said.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215468.shtml

Similar story with a little more detail. If, anyone cares to translate it from Japanese..... :wink:


https://grandfleet.info/china-related/c ... r-engines/


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by Corsair1963 » 11 Feb 2021, 08:12

So, sounds like the J-31/J-35 will get the WS-13E (IPE?) as an interim engine. Until the WS-19 comes online........(latter part of decade)


The WS-13E makes in the region of 22,500 lbs. While, the WS-19 makes more like 25,000 lbs.


This would give the J-31/J-35 45,000 - 50,000 lbs of thrust.



Sounds respectable to me..... :wink:


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by jessmo112 » 11 Feb 2021, 15:19

Corsair1963 wrote:China completes construction of medium-thrust aero engine production line

Liu Xuanzun
Published: Feb 10, 2021 12:00 AM


A Chinese arms firm has recently completed construction of a third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line, and analysts said that China can now mass produce warplanes without having to rely on imported engines.

The construction project for the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line has passed an acceptance check following completion of construction, the National Business Daily reported on Monday, citing a statement from Aviation Power Co under the state-owned Aero Engine Corporation of China.

The company is responsible for the development and production of aero engines for military and civilian purposes, with the focus being military products and scientific research for new engines, the company said on its website.

While the statement did not elaborate on the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine, Chinese military observers speculated it could be the WS-13 engine, to be used on warplanes including the JF-17 fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan and China’s second stealth fighter jet the FC-31, which is also rumored to become China’s next generation aircraft carrier-based fighter jet in the future.

China has been importing Russia’s RD-93 engines for these purposes, observers said.

The completion of the production line indicates that China has made breakthroughs in aero engine production, Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Tuesday

China will be able to mass produce the engines, which will allow the mass production of warplanes, Xu said.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215468.shtml

Similar story with a little more detail. If, anyone cares to translate it from Japanese..... :wink:


https://grandfleet.info/china-related/c ... r-engines/


So what does this have to do with the price of Tea in........China?
They have been producing engines for years, how is this any different ?
@ Corsair it still doesn't really say much if its 50k wet
The plane can't use AB for the entire flight profile.


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by jessmo112 » 01 Jul 2021, 02:32

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1227514.shtml

At this point, I'm wondering if the J-31 will ever see the light of day or compete with the F-35.
When the J-31 finally goes operational. The F-35 will be a significantly upgraded plane with 6th generation engines and block 4 capabilities. The plane has been on the prototype tour for nearly 10 years, and it still doesn't have a engine.


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by Corsair1963 » 01 Jul 2021, 03:03

jessmo112 wrote:https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202106/1227514.shtml

At this point, I'm wondering if the J-31 will ever see the light of day or compete with the F-35.
When the J-31 finally goes operational. The F-35 will be a significantly upgraded plane with 6th generation engines and block 4 capabilities. The plane has been on the prototype tour for nearly 10 years, and it still doesn't have a engine.



What are you talking about???

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China's FC-31 stealth fighter on public display, 'indicates development milestone'

A prototype of China's FC-31 stealth fighter jet has reportedly gone on public display at its maker's expo park, an indication that the aircraft's development has reached a milestone and entered the next stage, experts said on Wednesday.

An FC-31 aircraft very recently arrived at the Shenyang Aircraft Corp's (SAC) Aviation Expo Park as the park's latest exhibit, attracting many visitors from across the country to come and see the aircraft at close range on Tuesday, the 70th founding anniversary of SAC, the maker of the FC-31 and the cradle of China's fighter planes, the Xinhua News Agency reported on Tuesday.

Visitors were even allowed to touch the plane, the Xinhua report shows.

The FC-31 on display is a genuine one, KNEWS, a media outlet affiliated with Shanghai Media Group, reported on the same day.

With the use of advanced composite materials and the outstanding craftsmanship, the FC-31 has a high stealth capability, and hostile radars could only detect it when it comes within 50 kilometers, the KNEWS report said, noting that by comparison, the same radars could detect a non-stealth aircraft more than 100 kilometers away.

Media footage shows that, while the FC-31 on display bears the number "31001," the serial number of the first FC-31 demonstrator that performed at the Zhuhai Airshow 2014, it is probably not the same aircraft. The design of the tail is different and represents a redesigned "2.0" version that was displayed at the Zhuhai Airshow 2018 as a model, observers said.

The SAC Aviation Expo Park is a center for the popularization of aviation knowledge and records the history of China's fighter jet development, Wang Ya'nan, editor-in-chief of the Aerospace Knowledge magazine, told the Global Times on Wednesday.

The park previously exhibited relatively older aircraft, and the display of the FC-31, an advanced fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, could indicate that the warplane's development has reached a milestone and entered the next stage, Wang said.

In early June, foreign media outlets posted a photo showing a full-size model of the FC-31 that was spotted on a full-size mock aircraft carrier, allegedly used to evaluate the country's carrier development.

Since China's aircraft carriers would eventually need a type of stealth fighter jet, the FC-31 would be a good candidate after receiving any necessary improvements and modifications to suit the needs of vessel-based operations, Wang said.

As China's fully independently developed, medium-sized twin-engine fifth-generation multi-role fighter jet, the FC-31 can rival other countries' warplanes of the same class, media reports said.


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by zhangmdev » 01 Jul 2021, 03:51

https://new.qq.com/omn/20210621/20210621A0CWW300.html

There are a few photos from the link above. It is obviously a mock-up, a jumble of different parts.


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by weasel1962 » 01 Jul 2021, 04:00

The last sentence is particularly illuminating ie detected by radar at long range even when its not spotting a luneberg lens. Not sure if this fighters can qualify as a stealth fighter. If its not stealthy, what advantage would it have over the J-15?


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by zhangmdev » 01 Jul 2021, 04:24

The propaganda shot of the real thing is a lot prettier. But no close-up view, please.

And I despise Shenyang for that low-effort model.
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by Corsair1963 » 01 Jul 2021, 05:34

The point of the article is not the display aircraft. Yet, how the program is progressing.....


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by element1loop » 01 Jul 2021, 11:46

Building a $25 Rolex is not as easy as you think.
Accel + Alt + VLO + DAS + MDF + Radial Distance = LIFE . . . Always choose Stealth


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by gideonic » 01 Jul 2021, 12:12

The Mockup looks almost comical, particularily with the propaganda news-piece text beside it, however actual flight-test articles look much more decent IMO:

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