F-35 vs FC-31

The F-35 compared with other modern jets.
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 03:15

While little is known about the FC-31 and how likely it is to be fielded, what are your thoughts on how it compares to the F-35 and if there are any potential future buyers?

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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 03:27

Let's see

1. Engine has barely over 12k lbs of thrust per engine.
I think its about 19 wet.

2. The plane is in the same weight class as an F-35.

3. Even the F-35 was over weight at the start.

4. Its likely that it will be produced with inferior avionics, DAS and radar, due to China pissing off the west and causing a step back in western chip tech.

5. It needed after burner to stay straight and level years ago. Unless they are building it from cardboard or have stolen upgraded engine tech, it will continue.
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 03:45

Brochure source:
http://www.eastpendulum.com/wp-content/ ... %A9-08.jpg

Can refer to an older thread on remaining. Once awhile, a new thread pops up.
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 03:53

hotpogger wrote:While little is known about the FC-31 and how likely it is to be fielded, what are your thoughts on how it compares to the F-35 and if there are any potential future buyers?



Honestly, I expect the J-31/J-35/FC-31 to be a big success for the PLAAF, PLAN, and even Export. As like the US the Chinese have a big domestic market. Especially, considering the type will likely be used for both the PLA Air Force and Navy.

This is turn will help push down the price and make it even more attractive. Plus, who else offers an affordable Stealth Fighter available to non-Western Customers. (Iran, North Korea, Syria, etc. etc.) So, while not a huge market respectable nonetheless.

As for performance that is a big question mark??? Yet, China has been making very good progress over the last decade and is continuing to improve.

If, I was to speculate. I would predict the F-22/F-35 would still hold a good lead over the J-31 for the foreseeable future. While, the J-31 would hold a similar lead over existing 4/4.5 Generation Fighters.
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 07:21

China completes construction of medium-thrust aero engine production line

Liu Xuanzun
Published: Feb 10, 2021 12:00 AM


A Chinese arms firm has recently completed construction of a third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line, and analysts said that China can now mass produce warplanes without having to rely on imported engines.

The construction project for the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line has passed an acceptance check following completion of construction, the National Business Daily reported on Monday, citing a statement from Aviation Power Co under the state-owned Aero Engine Corporation of China.

The company is responsible for the development and production of aero engines for military and civilian purposes, with the focus being military products and scientific research for new engines, the company said on its website.

While the statement did not elaborate on the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine, Chinese military observers speculated it could be the WS-13 engine, to be used on warplanes including the JF-17 fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan and China’s second stealth fighter jet the FC-31, which is also rumored to become China’s next generation aircraft carrier-based fighter jet in the future.

China has been importing Russia’s RD-93 engines for these purposes, observers said.

The completion of the production line indicates that China has made breakthroughs in aero engine production, Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Tuesday

China will be able to mass produce the engines, which will allow the mass production of warplanes, Xu said.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215468.shtml

Similar story with a little more detail. If, anyone cares to translate it from Japanese..... :wink:


https://grandfleet.info/china-related/c ... r-engines/
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 08:12

So, sounds like the J-31/J-35 will get the WS-13E (IPE?) as an interim engine. Until the WS-19 comes online........(latter part of decade)


The WS-13E makes in the region of 22,500 lbs. While, the WS-19 makes more like 25,000 lbs.


This would give the J-31/J-35 45,000 - 50,000 lbs of thrust.



Sounds respectable to me..... :wink:
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Unread post11 Feb 2021, 15:19

Corsair1963 wrote:China completes construction of medium-thrust aero engine production line

Liu Xuanzun
Published: Feb 10, 2021 12:00 AM


A Chinese arms firm has recently completed construction of a third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line, and analysts said that China can now mass produce warplanes without having to rely on imported engines.

The construction project for the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine production line has passed an acceptance check following completion of construction, the National Business Daily reported on Monday, citing a statement from Aviation Power Co under the state-owned Aero Engine Corporation of China.

The company is responsible for the development and production of aero engines for military and civilian purposes, with the focus being military products and scientific research for new engines, the company said on its website.

While the statement did not elaborate on the third-generation medium-thrust aero engine, Chinese military observers speculated it could be the WS-13 engine, to be used on warplanes including the JF-17 fighter jet jointly developed by China and Pakistan and China’s second stealth fighter jet the FC-31, which is also rumored to become China’s next generation aircraft carrier-based fighter jet in the future.

China has been importing Russia’s RD-93 engines for these purposes, observers said.

The completion of the production line indicates that China has made breakthroughs in aero engine production, Xu Guangyu, a senior adviser to the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, told the Global Times on Tuesday

China will be able to mass produce the engines, which will allow the mass production of warplanes, Xu said.


https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202102/1215468.shtml

Similar story with a little more detail. If, anyone cares to translate it from Japanese..... :wink:


https://grandfleet.info/china-related/c ... r-engines/


So what does this have to do with the price of Tea in........China?
They have been producing engines for years, how is this any different ?
@ Corsair it still doesn't really say much if its 50k wet
The plane can't use AB for the entire flight profile.

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