F-35 unconventional tactics - your ideas?

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Unread post18 May 2017, 18:11

Using the interconnected MADL system and the Helmet display have a feature whereby one pilot can control the other craft due to loss of consciousness of a pilot. Have the aware pilot voice control his own craft through the autopilot feature while bringing the other pilot to a safe landing to receive needed help.

In case a plane gets stolen have a feature where oxygen can be reduced or gas addministered to theft pilot and then control craft back to safe landing.

Have the plane monitor the pilot's health and when in distress let the turnover control command be handled by the plane's AI. Have AI call wingman ship and request the help.

If AI is good enough have it do this.
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Unread post19 May 2017, 15:55

markithere wrote:Using the interconnected MADL system and the Helmet display have a feature whereby one pilot can control the other craft due to loss of consciousness of a pilot. Have the aware pilot voice control his own craft through the autopilot feature while bringing the other pilot to a safe landing to receive needed help.


Playing devil's advocate with your suggestion(s)... given the ability of unmanned aircraft (e.g. X-47B) to conduct autonomous approach and (carrier!) landings... and to avoid introducing a potential enama (remote takeover) attack on the F-35, wouldn't it be better to simply implement an auto-GCAS feature (already planned for Block 4, if memory serves) and enhance it with an automated fly-back-to-home-or-nearest-airfield feature?
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Unread post22 May 2017, 20:02

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markithere wrote:Using the interconnected MADL system and the Helmet display have a feature whereby one pilot can control the other craft due to loss of consciousness of a pilot. Have the aware pilot voice control his own craft through the autopilot feature while bringing the other pilot to a safe landing to receive needed help.


Playing devil's advocate with your suggestion(s)... given the ability of unmanned aircraft (e.g. X-47B) to conduct autonomous approach and (carrier!) landings... and to avoid introducing a potential enama (remote takeover) attack on the F-35, wouldn't it be better to simply implement an auto-GCAS feature (already planned for Block 4, if memory serves) and enhance it with an automated fly-back-to-home-or-nearest-airfield feature?



I did say let the AI do it if it can. That being said I like the way you said it better.
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Unread post22 May 2017, 20:12

Have the F-35 DAS system generate 3D image of ground below craft where current overlap from the sensors could be used to create a 3D map of the area for ground forces to use if the need for such a mission is warranted. Tracking data from the roads observed could be used to show trafficked roads in use during the scans. It could also include classified targets of interest for the ground troops. EM emissions could be used to help locate cell phone IED coverage. If bombs also have a receiving phone in the detonator loop it's emissions could be shown too.
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Unread post23 May 2017, 00:51

markithere wrote:Have the F-35 DAS system generate 3D image of ground below craft where current overlap from the sensors could be used to create a 3D map of the area for ground forces to use if the need for such a mission is warranted. Tracking data from the roads observed could be used to show trafficked roads in use during the scans. It could also include classified targets of interest for the ground troops. EM emissions could be used to help locate cell phone IED coverage. If bombs also have a receiving phone in the detonator loop it's emissions could be shown too.

just send a UAV...

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Unread post23 May 2017, 03:29

Think Airborne Bistatic radars.

Each pulse that an F-35 sends out contains data to ID when and where it was sent from. Other F-35s that have the right keys to understand the data can build a picture of the environment using reflected radar info.
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Unread post23 May 2017, 09:16

Depending on how good the F-35's sensors are...use enemy AWACS to detect enemy planes.

Think about it. F-35 detects enemy AWACS radar. If there are enemy (non-stealthy) aircraft, they will likely reflect the radar energy to a certain extent as well. The F-35 may be able to use the time delay between AWACS signal and enemy aircraft signal to get an approximate estimate of the distance, and may be able to get a bearing on the plane directly depending on its sensors.

So basically bistatic radar...except using the enemy AWACS as the transmitter. Enemy air forces might not really want to send up an AWACS...

Edit: Oops, apparently this has already been thought of before. It's called passive radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_radar
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Unread post22 Nov 2017, 23:03

With a larger bandwidth you could add extra crew to the plane virtually. It could give them the ability to make the aircraft do more simultaneously than one person alone could do. You could change out those crew as the tasks dictate while still in the air. You could do multiple mission requirements concurrently with just one aircraft. Electronic weapons officer dedicated to that task while another person is dedicated to ground, etc... Let's say one of these virtual crew sees something a number of miles west of the aircraft. Now let's say another F-35 is closer. He could with a push of a button jump to that craft and scan the area of interest. Then go back to the original craft as needed.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 17:57

In radio telescope use in astronomy they can link many different telescopes and get a resolution as if it was one giant telescope which would not be possible to build. This is called interferometry. Since the F-35s are linked in a formation of 4 planes could this be used to create a huge radar and possibly detect other stealth planes? Could this be used to increase the sensitivity of their “normal” radars creating a super radar stretching the detection range far beyond what any single plane could ever do?

I see there are different types of interferometry radars already. My post above has to do with increasing resolution by use of the 4 ship arrangement working together. In other words using what you have but in a different way to increase capabilities if not already doing so.
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Unread post12 Dec 2017, 18:28

Can the laser designator be used or some other not named instrument on the F-35 be used to sample the atmosphere through which the laser is beamed as an atmosphere Lidar? This way the plane can sense for bio hazardous environments, specific gas emissions to locate camouflaged enemy assets, or radio active gasses from dirty bombs or A bombs. The computer could then alert the pilot who could command ground troops to mop4 up. The pilot could request from the plane what the current boundaries are affected and give the info to the ground troops.
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 04:04

steve2267 wrote:
markithere wrote:Using the interconnected MADL system and the Helmet display have a feature whereby one pilot can control the other craft due to loss of consciousness of a pilot. Have the aware pilot voice control his own craft through the autopilot feature while bringing the other pilot to a safe landing to receive needed help.


Playing devil's advocate with your suggestion(s)... given the ability of unmanned aircraft (e.g. X-47B) to conduct autonomous approach and (carrier!) landings... and to avoid introducing a potential enama (remote takeover) attack on the F-35, wouldn't it be better to simply implement an auto-GCAS feature (already planned for Block 4, if memory serves) and enhance it with an automated fly-back-to-home-or-nearest-airfield feature?


Probably best way to integrate such a feature would be to take some of the outer loop functionality from a UAS (e.g. MQ-25, etc.) and implement it on the CLAW app. E.g. some trajectory generation, then waypoint following, and then an autoland (as demonstrated on F-16).

How useful that is is another thing -- AutoGCAS probably covers most situations.
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 08:08

rheonomic wrote:
steve2267 wrote:
markithere wrote:Using the interconnected MADL system and the Helmet display have a feature whereby one pilot can control the other craft due to loss of consciousness of a pilot. Have the aware pilot voice control his own craft through the autopilot feature while bringing the other pilot to a safe landing to receive needed help.


Playing devil's advocate with your suggestion(s)... given the ability of unmanned aircraft (e.g. X-47B) to conduct autonomous approach and (carrier!) landings... and to avoid introducing a potential enama (remote takeover) attack on the F-35, wouldn't it be better to simply implement an auto-GCAS feature (already planned for Block 4, if memory serves) and enhance it with an automated fly-back-to-home-or-nearest-airfield feature?


Probably best way to integrate such a feature would be to take some of the outer loop functionality from a UAS (e.g. MQ-25, etc.) and implement it on the CLAW app. E.g. some trajectory generation, then waypoint following, and then an autoland (as demonstrated on F-16).

How useful that is is another thing -- AutoGCAS probably covers most situations.


....please consider that Delta Flight Path and JPALS will automate carrier landings, no pilot required. Probably WDT interval manual response to maintain manual control vs. autonomous RTB.
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Unread post14 Dec 2017, 14:06

markithere wrote:Can the laser designator be used or some other not named instrument on the F-35 be used to sample the atmosphere through which the laser is beamed as an atmosphere Lidar? This way the plane can sense for bio hazardous environments, specific gas emissions to locate camouflaged enemy assets, or radio active gasses from dirty bombs or A bombs. The computer could then alert the pilot who could command ground troops to mop4 up. The pilot could request from the plane what the current boundaries are affected and give the info to the ground troops.


I think it could be used for that, but would require some hardware changes and additional software. I doubt it currently can do LIDAR rapid scanning as targeting pods and IRST systems generally don't have that kind of functionality. I'm sure it could be done, but maybe that's better left to UAVs and specialized aircraft?
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Unread post15 Dec 2017, 17:08

markithere wrote:You could use the DAS system from two planes flying in formation to create a stereoscopic image of the surrounding area. At the same time increase the resolution capability to twice what is achieved by a single plane. Similar to cameras that take and stitch together multiple images to create a super hires image. Doing this will increase what is possible with more than one plane. Google superresolution photos with photoshop for more on this.b

Like this

http://gigapan.com/gigapans/6790


That's called datafusion ;)

So basically bistatic radar...except using the enemy AWACS as the transmitter. Enemy air forces might not really want to send up an AWACS...


passive radar. Most promising emitters are DVBT waveforms (allow 3dimension measurements) but limited range.

Each pulse that an F-35 sends out contains data to ID when and where it was sent from. Other F-35s that have the right keys to understand the data can build a picture of the environment using reflected radar info.


Multistatic radar? Very interesting. Any link?
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Unread post15 Jan 2018, 13:52

Wondering how would have fared a F-18 E/F and X47 UCLASS tandem vs F-35? I know. This is science fiction.
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