Su-57 is a misunderstood aircraft

[viperzerof-2]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Qz421q7tk/

Here is a look at the KLJ-7a being flight tested, having its test modules assembled, and some neat stuff.

It's important to know that I didn't say in my last post that the Chinese can't build AESA radars, of course they can.
What I said or meant was that I don't think the Chinese learned to build AESA radars (fitted in J-20, J-35...) based on the knowledge/information that the Israelis gave to the Chinese in the 1990's. I also said that I don't believe that Chinese AESA radars have the same quality and effectiveness as American or even European AESA radars.

Regarding your video, I must admit that I was NOT minimally impressed with it. Hand welding small semi-conductor modules and being able to track only two (2) target simultaneously is definitely nothing to write home about...

From the reading I’ve done I feel Chinese radars are good but not top of the line. Compared to some like the RBE2 AESA which is small and doesn’t add much they are very good. Compared to some of the more complex systems like apg-79 or 81 I don’t know if they can do many of the sophisticated things like passive detection, wide bandwidth. My impression is better then the B team less then the A team.

[ricnunes]

From the reading I’ve done I feel Chinese radars are good but not top of the line. Compared to some like the RBE2 AESA which is small and doesn’t add much they are very good. Compared to some of the more complex systems like apg-79 or 81 I don’t know if they can do many of the sophisticated things like passive detection, wide bandwidth. My impression is better then the B team less then the A team.

Yes, I tend to agree with this assessment of yours.

[Corsair1963]

Russia’s Su-57E Stealth Fighter “First Foreign Delivery” Has a Big Problem: Proof

Key Points and Summary – Russia says its Su-57E stealth fighter has finally been delivered to a foreign customer, a milestone Moscow is hyping as proof the Felon is ready for the world market.

-But the announcement came with no buyer named, no serial numbers, and no independent confirmation.

-With perhaps fewer than two dozen Su-57s built for Russia itself, sanctions biting into high-end components, and a new plant already struggling to boost output, big questions remain about whether Moscow can actually sustain exports.

-For any buyer, the Su-57E is a gamble: a fifth-gen jet on paper, tied to a supply chain under siege in reality.

[...]

Full article: https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/rus ... lem-proof/

[darkmount]

Yeah it's very odd that we didn't see any footage of Su-57 in Algeria or at least footage of them in non-Russian camouflage and serial numbers.


All what we have is an announcement. This is giving me "thousands T-14 Armata were delivered to the Russian army" vibes.

[milosh]

Yeah it's very odd that we didn't see any footage of Su-57 in Algeria or at least footage of them in non-Russian camouflage and serial numbers.


All what we have is an announcement. This is giving me "thousands T-14 Armata were delivered to the Russian army" vibes.

Sale is lot more legit then nonsense about armatas.

There is hacked files from sukhoi with prices of jets and there are su57s built for Algeria.

[darkmount]

Yeah it's very odd that we didn't see any footage of Su-57 in Algeria or at least footage of them in non-Russian camouflage and serial numbers.


All what we have is an announcement. This is giving me "thousands T-14 Armata were delivered to the Russian army" vibes.

Sale is lot more legit then nonsense about armatas.

There is hacked files from Sukhoi with prices of jets and there are su57s built for Algeria.

I have looked at those files and they look legit but they could be fabricated by a professional.

The files mention 48 Su-35 for Iran with deliveries occurring between 2026 and 2028.

But how realistic is this? Even the VKS won't get 48 flankers delivered in 2 years!

[milosh]

Why would Ukrainians do that? I mean that goes against narrative of Russia which is collapsing?

I think it was Ukrainian hacker group which hacked sukhoi.

[darkmount]

Why would Ukrainians do that? I mean that goes against narrative of Russia which is collapsing?

I think it was Ukrainian hacker group which hacked sukhoi.

Easy, to push a narrative that Russia is helping Iran against Israel so we "Ukraine" need more support from USA and Israel.

Israel hasn't given much to Ukraine tbh but if they learned Russia gave 48 of their best fighters and S-400 they might say well screw it and give advanced EW and missiles to Ukraine.

[milosh]

And Israel isn't capable to know real situation?

Btw I don't see big deal with dozen su57 for Algeria. It isn't huge success but it is let's we say nice pr for both sides.

Also dozen su57 for Algeria in next couple years will not be problem for sukhoi. In fact if it's true that RuAF want to wait for megapolis well then sukhoi can even go with undercut price for Algeria just so because production line be busy.

[darkmount]

And Israel isn't capable to know real situation?

Btw I don't see big deal with dozen su57 for Algeria. It isn't huge success but it is let's we say nice pr for both sides.

Also dozen su57 for Algeria in next couple years will not be problem for sukhoi. In fact if it's true that RuAF want to wait for megapolis well then sukhoi can even go with undercut price for Algeria just so because production line be busy.

We can't tell with %100 certainty what Israel knows and what they don't, could also be PSYOP.

Btw, no one is denying that Algeria is interested in Su-57 or that Sukhoi can't deliver Su-57. What we are skeptical about is the fact that Russia is saying "already delivered" meaning that costumer received their Su-57 which is a bit weird because Russia only has 26-28 Su-57 and if you exclude prototype air frames they have just a little more than a squadron.

Moreover, just like Israel would know what Iran has, the US can also know whether Su-57 were indeed delivered to a certain costumer, even normal people who purchase satellite images people can spot them in Algerian air bases.

So far no evidence emerged that support Sukhoi claims, that's why some people are taking those claims with a grain of salt.

[Corsair1963]

And Israel isn't capable to know real situation?

Btw I don't see big deal with dozen su57 for Algeria. It isn't huge success but it is let's we say nice pr for both sides.

Also dozen su57 for Algeria in next couple years will not be problem for sukhoi. In fact if it's true that RuAF want to wait for megapolis well then sukhoi can even go with undercut price for Algeria just so because production line be busy.

Actually, Algeria acquiring the Su-57 could be very counterproductive to them if that leads to Spain and Morocco in turn buying F-35s as a counter. Which likely will happen, at least in the case of the latter.

[hornetfinn]

Interesting video where Dave "Chip" Berke and Ryan “Max Afterburner” Bodenheimer react to Su-57 airshow and give interesting opinions about it as well as Su-57 vs F-22 and F-35:

[milosh]

Weapon bays:

[hornetfinn]

This is interesting video, Sergey Bogdan talking about Su-57:



Of course there is the required "Russian aircraft wins 7 out of 7 times against NATO aircraft" I do wonder where he got the magic number "7"?

It's bit difficult to follow due to noise but you can also turn on the automatic translation which helps especially when it translates Russian into English. What I found interesting were his remarks about maneuverability and speed etc.

[disconnectedradical]

Weapon bays:

One of the few genuinely impressive aspect of Su-57 is the internal weapons capacity. The main bays can hold total of four 700kg (1,540lb) weapons internally.

Here we see internal payload of four Kh-58UShK anti-radiation missiles, and two R-74M2 short range AAMs.

Of course this is a deliberate design decision and Sukhoi made tradeoffs for large internal payload that was specifically stated in the company’s design patent for the aircraft configuration. Like necessitating the use straight intake ducts and thus requiring radar blockers.