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Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 13 May 2021, 20:34
by charlielima223
I remember a couple of years ago the USAF head of the Air Combat Command stating
If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 13 May 2021, 22:14
by milosh
As I wrote earlier only China can afford to have more everything, America and Russia need to cut and cut. It is reality and I don't see it will change without serous system change in both countries. When both countries start really taxing super rich well then things could change but until then China will be stronger and stronger while other two super powers weaker and weaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace

and:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billspring ... 72f080331b

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 00:09
by XanderCrews
milosh wrote:As I wrote earlier only China can afford to have more everything, America and Russia need to cut and cut. It is reality and I don't see it will change without serous system change in both countries. When both countries start really taxing super rich well then things could change but until then China will be stronger and stronger while other two super powers weaker and weaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace

and:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billspring ... 72f080331b


Not even close to reality. but its a really nice picture of a boat masquerading as a smart post about economics.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 00:11
by XanderCrews
charlielima223 wrote:I remember a couple of years ago the USAF head of the Air Combat Command stating
If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22


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Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 02:11
by charlielima223
XanderCrews wrote:
charlielima223 wrote:I remember a couple of years ago the USAF head of the Air Combat Command stating
If I do not keep that F-22 fleet viable, the F-35 fleet frankly will be irrelevant. The F-35 is not built as an air superiority platform. It needs the F-22


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good on you for putting in effort...

this is the same individual who said that even though the F-35 is more stealthy than the F-22, it would take 8 F-35s that would take 2 F-22s to handle.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 05:37
by XanderCrews
charlielima223 wrote:
good on you for putting in effort...

this is the same individual who said that even though the F-35 is more stealthy than the F-22, it would take 8 F-35s that would take 2 F-22s to handle.



not calling you a liar, and I am familiar with what the very appropriately named General HOSTAGE claimed. and now the USAF claims otherwise... Isn't that something?

Maybe theyre both magically telling the truth?

One guy says, you know I'm gonna need F-22s to make the F-35 not "irrelevant"a nd the F-35 "needs" F-22

And the other guy says, You know I may not even need the F-22 at all for anything

really makes you think.

I mean they can't both be irrelevant now can they?

or are they?

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 12:22
by mixelflick
The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 14 May 2021, 16:23
by XanderCrews
mixelflick wrote:The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..


The folks here probably realize that would illegal as it would be against the OBEY amendment that prevented the export of F-22s to Israel in the first place.

Why does such an amendment exist?

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no reason...

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 15 May 2021, 14:28
by mixelflick
XanderCrews wrote:
mixelflick wrote:The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..


The folks here probably realize that would illegal as it would be against the OBEY amendment that prevented the export of F-22s to Israel in the first place.

Why does such an amendment exist?

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no reason...


Perhaps. But times change, people change and let's not pretend the Israeli's don't have mad influence in this country. Personally, I'd like to see them get it as long as they can put safeguards in place to prevent another Lavi/J-10 fiasco. And as long as it doesn't compromise the US warfighter.

That might not be possible, but those F-22 will eventually go somewhere after we're done with them. And I think its a safe bet they won't be sunning themselves in the boneyard...

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 18:25
by milosh
XanderCrews wrote:
mixelflick wrote:The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..


The folks here probably realize that would illegal as it would be against the OBEY amendment that prevented the export of F-22s to Israel in the first place.

Why does such an amendment exist?

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no reason...


Israel need to have option B if US fail as state, that is why they gave Chinese lot of advanced tech, not just they helped with J-10, I think they sold them some drones which became base of Chinese drone revolution. But I really doubt thier F-22 could be give to China. Israel don't make nothing important on F-22 so what Chinese could get? Some info about F-22? They already have that trough hacking.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 18:36
by XanderCrews
mixelflick wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
mixelflick wrote:The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..


The folks here probably realize that would illegal as it would be against the OBEY amendment that prevented the export of F-22s to Israel in the first place.

Why does such an amendment exist?

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no reason...


Perhaps. But times change, people change and let's not pretend the Israeli's don't have mad influence in this country. Personally, I'd like to see them get it as long as they can put safeguards in place to prevent another Lavi/J-10 fiasco. And as long as it doesn't compromise the US warfighter.

That might not be possible, but those F-22 will eventually go somewhere after we're done with them. And I think its a safe bet they won't be sunning themselves in the boneyard...


The US would keep the F-22 as a "strategic reserve" in case of big war. So yes, I think its a safe bet they will be sunning themselves in a boneyard somwehere.

More to the point, one of the things I like about F-16.net is realism. OBEY amendment is a real thing. Thats imporntant thing to know before people start spouting off fanfiction. Lots of places on the internet deal in fantasy, would be nice if F-16.net was still a place of people in the know, in reality.

milosh wrote:
XanderCrews wrote:
mixelflick wrote:The F-22 that are divested will be given to Israel.

Surprised more folks here don't see that possibility. In fact, I'd call it inevitable..


The folks here probably realize that would illegal as it would be against the OBEY amendment that prevented the export of F-22s to Israel in the first place.

Why does such an amendment exist?

Image

no reason...


Israel need to have option B if US fail as state, that is why they gave Chinese lot of advanced tech, not just they helped with J-10, I think they sold them some drones which became base of Chinese drone revolution. But I really doubt thier F-22 could be give to China. Israel don't make nothing important on F-22 so what Chinese could get? Some info about F-22? They already have that trough hacking.



absolutely, the US should just declassify and give away everything, since the Chinese have hacked it all and know it all anyway. Theres no secrets, so don't bother.

some real smart posts here lately :doh:

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 20:33
by zhangmdev
That J-10 also carried some carbon copy of Python-3 AA missile. I remember about 20 years ago the US really put its foot down to prevent Israel exporting AWACS to China. Russia and Israel gave a load of stuff to China in the 1990s, when the West turned its back to that country after it became the international pariah in 1989. Russia needed the money. But what was it for Israel? China didn't recognize Israel as a legitimate state until 1992, and it always supported the other side.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 20:58
by milosh
zhangmdev wrote:That J-10 also carried some carbon copy of Python-3 AA missile. I remember about 20 years ago the US really put its foot down to prevent Israel exporting AWACS to China. Russia and Israel gave a load of stuff to China in the 1990s, when the West turned its back to that country after it became the international pariah in 1989. Russia needed the money. But what was it for Israel? China didn't recognize Israel as a legitimate state until 1992, and it always supported the other side.


Well China support other side during Mao's rule, after than China have benevalent position about middle east so politic isn't problem for cooperation. Israel for example invest a lot in Lavi so selling it to China would at least return that investment. And having good relation with future and old leading country of world isn't stupid move at all.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 21:46
by zhangmdev
Certainly China stopped arming the international struggle against imperialism after Mao died. But it always rooted for the cause of PLO/Fatah. Quoting Yasser Arafat's interview with Xinhua during one of his last visits to China: "We have very strong relations with the Chinese people. We cannot forget the help from the Chinese people, the government and the party. They help us by all means in all fields,"

Diplomatically, China always opposes/condemns Israle's action during time of conflict and gives voice to the other side. That might not amount to much when China had no interest in the middle east and was not a geopolitical rival to the US. But as you said, time has changed.

Re: F-15EX (is useless)

Unread postPosted: 16 May 2021, 22:44
by Corsair1963
So, the USAF is going to start to retire F-22's at the same time. It is acquiring brand new F-15EX's.......... :shock: