F-15EX

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Unread post13 May 2021, 00:50

Corsair1963 wrote:
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sprstdlyscottsmn wrote:Corsair is right though, the wing pylons have always been used for fuel in every operation load I have ever seen.


Not always. In the 90s/2000s, F-15E were sometimes flying on operations with an asymmetric loadout that consisted of a GBU-15 or AGM-130 on a wing pylon and a drop tank on the other side.

More recently, a Mudhen was seen carrying no less than 7x BLU-109 :shock: during OIR as can be seen in the video below at 2:45:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URN-5MSWuR0


Rarely, do fighters carry such heavy loads. As the range and performance penalties are to high........ :?


I never said such loadouts were common. But they evidently have their use for a few niche missions.
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Unread post13 May 2021, 01:04

Tiger05 wrote:Not always. In the 90s/2000s, F-15E were sometimes flying on operations with an asymmetric loadout that consisted of a GBU-15 or AGM-130 on a wing pylon and a drop tank on the other side.


They were also flying with symetric AGM-130 loads, that is one under each wing.
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Unread post13 May 2021, 03:06

Thanks for the corrections
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Unread post17 May 2021, 22:15

F-15C/E/EX

Eagle Passive Active Warning Survivability System (F-15E, EX)
In a complex electronic attack environment like Northern Edge, EPAWSS was put to the test in the F-15E Strike Eagle and F-15EX Eagle II.

While at Northern Edge, the first-ever four-ship of F-15E Strike Eagles equipped with EPAWSS flew on May 14, 2021, employing EPAWSS as it would be used in a tactical formation.

Lt Col Reade Loper, F-15E test director, Operational Flight Program Combined Test Force, shared the significance of four F-15Es flying together with the most current version of EPAWSS in a large force, dense threat environment, explaining that operating in an environment like Northern Edge uncovers opportunities for growth in the program that might otherwise take months to reveal during home station flying. It was also a chance to exercise the utility of the entire system working together.

Though designed as a self-protection system, at Northern Edge, testers also explored using EPAWSS to support the WEPTAC TIP of fourth-to-fifth and fifth-to-fourth gen EA effectiveness.

Loper also explained that while at Northern Edge, BAE Systems was able to rapid reprogram the mission data files for EPAWSS to improve its ability over just 1-2 days.

Infrared Search and Track (F-15C)

During Northern Edge 21, F-15C Eagle pilots completed operational flight testing on the Legion Pod, an Infrared Search and Track (IRST) pod, in the rigorous environment of Alaska ranges. Northern Edge was a “graduation” test event for the pod, prior to fielding.

Maj. Aaron Osborne, F-15C pilot, 28th Test and Evaluation Squadron, explained that IRST allows pilots to have an “out-of-band” sensor to find what an electronically scanned radar cannot, particularly in the event of an electronic attack.

“IRST pod is an added capability to the warfighter and is proving capable in the dense electronic attack threat environment of Northern Edge,” said Osborne. “While at Northern Edge, I’m using the pod not as a test pilot, but exactly as I would in the CAF or in operations. We’re checking the final boxes of the test plan here before the pod fields and using it with the latest operational flight program.”

(Related: First missile shot with the Legion Pod)


F-15C/E Suite 9.1 RR (F-15C, E)

That “latest operational flight program” is Suite 9.1RR (Re-Release). Suite 9.1 RR is the next installment of the F-15 Operational Flight Program and what the 53d Wing’s and 96th Test Wing’s F-15Cs and F-15Es at Northern Edge have. As previously mentioned, the F-15EX is currently flying with a similar OFP, Suite 9.1X.

“We finished test on Suite 9.1 in February 2021, and it will field to the CAF in the Fall,” said Loper. “Suite 9.1RR was an effort between ACC and AFLCMC to provide more capability to operational units earlier. On the normal timeline, Suite 9.2, wouldn’t field until late spring of 2023. Suite 9.1RR was able to use available funds to develop an additional OFP so that the CAF doesn’t have to wait almost two years for software upgrades.”

Perhaps the biggest improvement with Suite 9.1RR is new hardware called Data Transfer Module 2, DTM II. The DTM is how data is transferred from mission planning computers to the aircraft. The current DTM is the same model and method that was developed for the Eagle (C-model and E-model) back in the 1980s, and though the memory capacity has grown slightly over the years, the F-15’s latest aircraft processor, Advanced Display Core Processor 2, and OFP have outgrown the memory capacity of the current DTM.

“With 9.1RR, we’ve been able to upgrade the entire data transfer system to keep up with our new software. DTM II increases in memory capacity from 2MB to 256GB,” said Loper. “With the increase in memory and processing power, we can now add all sorts of new tactical capabilities to the aircraft.”

As Suite 9.1 completed test in just February, Northern Edge provided essential initial data for Suite 9.1 RR, which will continue flight test through Fall 2021. Suite 9.1RR is set to field in Spring of 2022.

Source: https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article-Dis ... s-at-ne21/


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Unread post18 May 2021, 13:59

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Unread post18 May 2021, 15:45

New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..
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Unread post18 May 2021, 23:23

mixelflick wrote:New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..


Have to wonder how a hypothetical AIM-174 Standard ERAM would perform. Starting 400 mph or so faster a few thousand feet higher. More so if it is the newsiest Block IB with a much larger motor diameter (Block 1A 13.5 in to 1B 21 in). The Block 1A had an estimated 130 nmi range, nothing public on the 1B yet. The RIM-174 uses modified AIM-120 radar and electronics it could be easier to modify for SAM use. The USAF used an ARM Standard in the past.
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Unread post19 May 2021, 01:07

mixelflick wrote:New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..




Sounding more and more like the usual spin from the peanut gallery........with a large dose of assumptions and speculation.
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Unread post19 May 2021, 03:00

h-bomb wrote:
mixelflick wrote:New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..


Have to wonder how a hypothetical AIM-174 Standard ERAM would perform. Starting 400 mph or so faster a few thousand feet higher. More so if it is the newsiest Block IB with a much larger motor diameter (Block 1A 13.5 in to 1B 21 in). The Block 1A had an estimated 130 nmi range, nothing public on the 1B yet. The RIM-174 uses modified AIM-120 radar and electronics it could be easier to modify for SAM use. The USAF used an ARM Standard in the past.

Block 1A has a lot longer range than 130nm. It has a longer range than an S-400 (~500km class).
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Unread post19 May 2021, 15:28

Corsair1963 wrote:
mixelflick wrote:New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..




Sounding more and more like the usual spin from the peanut gallery........with a large dose of assumptions and speculation.


This isn't just TWZ speculating though.... the following is from the USAF themselves: Intriguingly, the talking points also make reference to an unnamed “outsize … air-to-air” weapon, which will be able to be carried by the F-15EX. The fighter is described in the same papers as “an outsized weapons truck.” So it's either the best info yet we have on an ultra-long range air to air weapon, or its.... disinformation?

They're going to have to make good use of those shiny new F-15's. IMO, that means they'll do something other than fly figure 8's over NYC on homeland air defense missions.
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Unread post19 May 2021, 15:31

wrightwing wrote:
h-bomb wrote:
mixelflick wrote:New "outsized" AAM to be carried by F-15EX

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... ir-missile

Sounding more and more to me like this was the plan all along. The EX might have been sought/put in motion a lot sooner than we thought. They had to know something was needed to carry it, as the article gives the impression it was known it wouldn't fit in the F-22's/35's internal weapons bays..


Have to wonder how a hypothetical AIM-174 Standard ERAM would perform. Starting 400 mph or so faster a few thousand feet higher. More so if it is the newsiest Block IB with a much larger motor diameter (Block 1A 13.5 in to 1B 21 in). The Block 1A had an estimated 130 nmi range, nothing public on the 1B yet. The RIM-174 uses modified AIM-120 radar and electronics it could be easier to modify for SAM use. The USAF used an ARM Standard in the past.

Block 1A has a lot longer range than 130nm. It has a longer range than an S-400 (~500km class).


And that's the range they'll need to hit, in order to comfortably exceed their Russian and Chinese ultra long range air to air counterparts. On paper anyway, which probably isn't a bad standard to go by (since it's probably exaggerated).
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Unread post21 May 2021, 15:53

May 20, 2021 | By John A. Tirpak
The F-15EX both shot down some adversaries and was shot down itself during the recent Northern Edge wargame in Alaska, and work is underway to analyze the results of its first appearance in the major force exercise, according to a test pilot who participated.

Statistics such as the mission capable rates of the aircraft have not yet been tabulated, but the jets flew a combined 33 sorties during the exercise from April 28-May 14.

The two first-of-their-kind F-15EXs—being used for concurrent operational and developmental test—played in Northern Edge only two weeks after they were delivered to the Air Force. The goal was to see if they could play the part now met in the Combat Air Forces by the F-15C plus add some capability to that mission, according to Lt. Col. John O’Rear of the 84th Test and Evaluation Squadron.

Among the test points were how the F-15EXs could integrate with F-15Cs as well as larger forces, including fifth-generation F-22s and F-35s, O’Rear said.

“We flew them with two-ships of F-15C models, two-ships of F-15E models, … two-ships of EXs supporting other fourth-gen [flights], and integrating with the F-22 and F-35,” he said.

Though the F-15EXs “tallied some kills while they were up there,” O’Rear acknowledged there were also some losses.

“If you go into any large force exerc------

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Unread post22 May 2021, 12:34

Most significant news IMO had to do with EPAWSS allowing the F-35 to "get closer" to enemy targets, vs. (presumably) the F-35 alone. That's rather surprising, and speaks to just how powerful EPAWSS really is.

If that's the case, what's stopping them from putting EPAWSS (or something like it) on the F-35? Would seem to make more sense, especially when more advanced engines will be giving the F-35 more power, range etc...
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Unread post22 May 2021, 13:43

Other than being an obvious distraction, there really is no reason F-15EX enables F-35A to close the distance more.
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Unread post22 May 2021, 15:32

mixelflick wrote:Most significant news IMO had to do with EPAWSS allowing the F-35 to "get closer" to enemy targets, vs. (presumably) the F-35 alone. That's rather surprising, and speaks to just how powerful EPAWSS really is.

If that's the case, what's stopping them from putting EPAWSS (or something like it) on the F-35? Would seem to make more sense, especially when more advanced engines will be giving the F-35 more power, range etc...

The F-35 already has a very powerful EW system. What they were doing was allowing the F-35 to remain EMCON, thus allowing it to get closer to targets. Of course other F-35s could also provide that support.
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