A dozen F-22’s deployed to Middle East

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Unread post10 Jul 2019, 19:59

awsome wrote:The Russians are probably more than happy to have Raptors flying around within sensor range. If they become a problem their air bases are not as nearly invisible as the aircraft themselves.

The F-22s are well aware of Russian sensors, and aren't giving away unnecessary information.
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Unread post20 Feb 2022, 15:58

F-22s are back in the sand box again...

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article/293 ... to-region/

A waste of personnel and resources IMHO. The UAE can handle themselves against Iranian funded insurgents. They would be better off in Europe with all the stuff going on with Russia. Send them there with F-35s already in Germany.

https://www.afrc.af.mil/News/Article-Di ... o-germany/
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Unread post20 Feb 2022, 22:25

Maybe this could be reason:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/ ... 594531204d

Russians have those Egypt's Flankers ready for sale.

If Iran get them with R-37 it would be problematic for any non stealth fighter.
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Unread post21 Feb 2022, 00:48

charlielima223 wrote:F-22s are back in the sand box again...

https://www.acc.af.mil/News/Article/293 ... to-region/

A waste of personnel and resources IMHO. The UAE can handle themselves against Iranian funded insurgents. They would be better off in Europe with all the stuff going on with Russia. Send them there with F-35s already in Germany.

https://www.afrc.af.mil/News/Article-Di ... o-germany/



If you look to the north on the map you will see Romania, the Black Sea, Russia, and Georgia. So, it looks like the F-22's are ideally placed to cover both the Middle East and the Northern Black Sea, Crimea, and Ukraine.


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Unread post21 Feb 2022, 18:21

milosh wrote:Maybe this could be reason:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/ ... 594531204d

Russians have those Egypt's Flankers ready for sale.

If Iran get them with R-37 it would be problematic for any non stealth fighter.


The latest info has the Egyptian order cancelled, or at least delayed indefinitely. Apparently, they flew a Rafale vs. an SU-35 head to head and.... the SU-35's vaunted Irbis-E was no match for Rafale's radar/sensors. Jammed the hell out of it, from what I've read. They want an AESA in that bird (SU-35), but 1.) It would be a long time and 2.) It would add even more expense to an already costly aircraft/CPFH.

I agree the R-37 is potentially problematic, but it's also a long way from certain. The odds it'll hit a fighter sized target at the claimed ranges? Unlikely, IMO. The fact it can still be used to put enemy fighters on the defensive with very little time to defeat it? Likely IMO. But in order to shoot you have to have a firing solution, and if the reports are correct an AESA equipped fighter could easily negate that. Even a 4th gen w/AESA, nevermind Israel's F-35's...
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Unread post21 Feb 2022, 20:52

mixelflick wrote:The latest info has the Egyptian order cancelled, or at least delayed indefinitely. Apparently, they flew a Rafale vs. an SU-35 head to head and.... the SU-35's vaunted Irbis-E was no match for Rafale's radar/sensors. Jammed the hell out of it, from what I've read. They want an AESA in that bird (SU-35), but 1.) It would be a long time and 2.) It would add even more expense to an already costly aircraft/CPFH.


It is quite fishy rumor.

For example here is Cooper article about that:
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-w ... m-instead/

He wrote this:

Word is the Egyptians tested an Irbis-E radar (from the Su-35) against Rafale’s ECM-system, and the latter easily overpowered the former.


Okey, but then he wrote this:

The Egyptian Air Force had to become the first customer for the Su-35 in the Middle East area, following the signing of a contract in 2018 (not confirmed until May 2020), comprising the delivery of 24/26 aircraft for approximately USD 3 billion. In fact, as the photo below shows, at least 11 aircraft were already manufactured and ready for delivery, but Egypt never received them.


So how Egypt AF tested Su-35 against Rafale in first place? Fly Rafale to Komsomolsk-on-Amur?!?

Do Egypt have Su-35? I couldn't find any photo of them in Egypt, all I find are those in Russia.

And here is excellent French article about Egypt's Su-35:
https://air-cosmos.com/article/mais-o-s ... sint-25752

Use net translator, it explain well what is questionable in that rumor.
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Unread post22 Feb 2022, 03:45

Corsair1963 wrote:

If you look to the north on the map you will see Romania, the Black Sea, Russia, and Georgia. So, it looks like the F-22's are ideally placed to cover both the Middle East and the Northern Black Sea, Crimea, and Ukraine


That is still seems like a pretty far skip hop and a jump for them as compared to being deployed to Germany or Italy...

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To me it is the wrong place to do a show of force. The need for F-22 in the middle east right now is minimal at best.
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Unread post22 Feb 2022, 03:57

charlielima223 wrote:
Corsair1963 wrote:

If you look to the north on the map you will see Romania, the Black Sea, Russia, and Georgia. So, it looks like the F-22's are ideally placed to cover both the Middle East and the Northern Black Sea, Crimea, and Ukraine


That is still seems like a pretty far skip hop and a jump for them as compared to being deployed to Germany or Italy...

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To me it is the wrong place to do a show of force. The need for F-22 in the middle east right now is minimal at best.



The point is the F-22's would be in a position to cover both.......
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Unread post22 Feb 2022, 13:23

If Russia goes into Ukraine then Iran makes any kind of simultaneous move, it certainly opens the door to China going for Taiwan. The US is poised for China at the moment. I cannot help but think we have to be prepared in Korea atm, too. If one dam breaks, they will all break simultaneously.
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Unread post23 Feb 2022, 01:01

madrat wrote:If Russia goes into Ukraine then Iran makes any kind of simultaneous move, it certainly opens the door to China going for Taiwan. The US is poised for China at the moment. I cannot help but think we have to be prepared in Korea atm, too. If one dam breaks, they will all break simultaneously.



I very much doubt that they would "all" break at once. Yet, another conflict in the Middle East or Asia could start a Globe War.

That said, in an all-out conflict the odds still don't favor China, Iran, or Russia.
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Unread post23 Feb 2022, 14:04

China has made move after move over the past 70 years, yet they still sit at the table. They've learned to make moves then flip the narrative, rest, then do it again when things cool off. It has never failed for them. They learned to ease into invasions rather than bludgeon their way in. But that was their old leadership. This new leadership is itching for being respected as a superpower on the global scene. But as eager as they are, they are much more complex in their strategies. Do not underestimate how they will take on Taiwan 're-integration' with the mainland.

Look how easily they've subdued Canada. Canada is beginning to even resemble them. The US has allowed Chinese regulars to train there without as much as a snide remark. This kind of stuff was preposterous several decades ago, yet it is reality today. Welcome to the Mao global cultural revolution. No number of F-22A will stop that with our current leadership getting cozy with them.
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Unread post15 Mar 2022, 17:57

Some interesting pictures of the Raptor's recent deployment to the ME.

https://theaviationist.com/2022/03/14/f ... eployment/

Having been deployed there in my younger years I can say from experience that sand is like no other. During sand/dust storms that stuff gets into places. [Jokingly] Maybe this is a new form of camouflage using material from the natural environment to blend rather than depending on paint schemes and man made patterns.
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