F-22 vs Su-30MKI
A lot of people here talk about the invincibility(sp check) of the Su-30MKI.
What if we compare it with the Raptor.Some may argue that the Raptor is stealthy, so lets assume that its not stealthy.
The F-22 is not invincible but, it has a technical advantage over any aircraft being developed that is massive. The F-22 has a 'greater technical advantage' over any aircraft being developed than the F-15A did over its contemporaries! Just look at the combat record of the F-15, so it is not unreasonable to expect the complete dominance of the skies from the F-22. Now does this mean the F-22 will not be shot down ever, if it sees combat that risk is always run of being shot down.
The F-22's performance is superior to the Su-30MKI's in almost every important parameter, acceleration, deceleration, cornering, climbing, cleared for an unlimited AoA (although only +60º to -45º would normally be used), etc.. The F-22 is a true fifth generation aircraft while the Su-30MKI is 4.5 generation aircraft, modified from the last fourth generation aircraft, the Su-27. So while the Su-30 can travel at the speeds of the F-22, it can not hold it for more than a few minutes. Dispite the Su-30MKI's range, in afterburner it is everything but, fuel efficient!
First detection would go to the F-22 which would give it the choice of tactics, to accept or deny combat, etc.. The F-22 leader can allow himself to be detected and lure the Su-30 in a direction that will make an easy kill for the F-22 wingman to kill from an unseen direction! We should not always assume that the F-22 and Su-30MKI would always be just 1V1, it could be 2V4, etc.
The other aspect is that the primary weapon of these two aircraft (the Slammer versus the Adder) gives the significant edge to the F-22.
The F-15 should have lost at least four to six aircraft but, do to the incompetence of the other side none have been shotdown.
Once over the Balkans two F-15C's were approaching two MiG.-29's. The MiG's performed a maneuver which caused the F-15's and AWACS to lose radar contact. The MiG's hid in the weeds. GCI instructed the MiG's to gain altitude and they reached the altitude of the F-15's in WVR! It was a quick draw contest in which the F-15's won.
What if GCI had instructed the MiG's to approach the F-15's from directly underneath or, pop up behind the F-15's, used their IRST to fire and IR missile, the ending would have most likely been different. Or, if Iran had intruded into Saudi airspace with Phoenix Missile armed Tomcats instead of F-4 Phantoms.... again we could have had a different outcome.
An Israeli F-15 was damaged by a Syrian MiG.-23 firing an Alamo Missile. A more accurate missile could have changed the outcome and ruined the F-15's perfect record.
At the beginning of the F-22/F-23 program, the USAF's Air Intelligence, DARPA and, CIA did a study as to assess what the USSR's technical capabilities would be in the time period of 1990 to 2010. The study was based upon the Cold War continuing and it turned out to be very accurate. The specs of the ATF were designed so the F-22 would be superior to anything the USSR could build in this time period. The financial breakdown of the USSR, the need for cash and, them placing some of their best weapon systems on the open market allowed the USA's intelligence services know the accuracies and inaccuracies of that study. The fact that Russia has sold the USAF Su-27's (11/26/95) and MiG.-29's only helps our intelligence community. The Russians have not developed any new aircraft since the country went bankrupt. Only modifications of the MiG.-29 or Su-27. So, the USA knows what the Russian are capable of making and will be able to make for many years.
Many other countries know what the Russian Air Force has also. In 1988, the Japanese Diet (the Japanese Parliment or Congress) paid the USSR $300,000 for two JASDF pilots did undergo training / familiarization / evaluation program in the USSR! Japan wanted to know the capabilities of the Su-27 because it had been causing the Japan Air Defense problems.
Russian aircraft are no mystery to the American Military! Indian avionics are more advance than Russian but, still are not in the class with European or American avionics.
The F-22 has abilities and can use tactics no other aircraft can use at high or low speeds. So with this advantage, why, why would the F-22 use tactics that could be matched by another aircraft? If I were the F-22 I would use the tactics that only the F-22 could do. I want to survive the fight, the thought of a fair fight when I have the advantage is nothing short of foolish! Just kill the fool and go home!
toan wrote:It seems that Su-30MKI has more internal fuel
Yes but the F-22's engines are far more fuel efficient in and out of afterburners.
"Stealthy mode" in order to keep the stealth of Raptor, which will put some limitation and reduction to the detective range of AN/APG-77
The USAF has decided to reduce the range of the AN/APG-77 from 120 miles down to 108 miles. They figure it will allow a significant reduction in output power and make the signal seem even more like random background noise.
While the USAF is not going to use the F-22 to sink ships, it will make sure that US aircraft will face no aerial opposition. That is the mission of the F-22.
Price of course, it is said that the take-off price of Su-30MKI produced by India itself will be less than 30 million USD per fighter, which is just 1/4~1/5 take-off price of F/A-22 today...
If my grandson had to fly into combat in one of these two aircraft, I would want him in the F-22. It would his best chance to get home. Me paying lower taxes or my country saving money will not mean much to me especially, if I knew better technology would bring him home.... spend the damn money!!!
Adrian
21 Oct 2005, 17:37
.What will be the result then?I mean a neat fight.
