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Unread post14 Jan 2022, 19:07

This is great news, and will probably extend the Raptor's career somewhat. USAF I think planned to retire it early, sometime around 2030?

Whoever proposes retiring the F-22 before NGAD is on the flight line is going to have a really hard time justifying why, especially if F-15C's (or even the F-15EX) is still flying. It looks way too heavy, but I wonder if the legion pod can be mounted on the AIM-9 rails?

Would seem to get around the "we just don't have the real estate" issue cited by USAF prior when this issue came up...
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Unread post14 Jan 2022, 19:55

mixelflick wrote:This is great news, and will probably extend the Raptor's career somewhat. USAF I think planned to retire it early, sometime around 2030?

Whoever proposes retiring the F-22 before NGAD is on the flight line is going to have a really hard time justifying why, especially if F-15C's (or even the F-15EX) is still flying. It looks way too heavy, but I wonder if the legion pod can be mounted on the AIM-9 rails?

Would seem to get around the "we just don't have the real estate" issue cited by USAF prior when this issue came up...

There's no plan to retire the F-22 by 2030, and absolutely no one is proposing retiring it before NGAD is available in both numbers and maturity. It's always been said that the retirement is contingent upon NGAD, so it'll absolutely be at some point past 2030.
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Unread post14 Jan 2022, 20:22

mixelflick wrote:This is great news, and will probably extend the Raptor's career somewhat. USAF I think planned to retire it early, sometime around 2030?

Whoever proposes retiring the F-22 before NGAD is on the flight line is going to have a really hard time justifying why, especially if F-15C's (or even the F-15EX) is still flying. It looks way too heavy, but I wonder if the legion pod can be mounted on the AIM-9 rails?

Would seem to get around the "we just don't have the real estate" issue cited by USAF prior when this issue came up...


Why AIM-9 rails? Better to use the compartment under the nose. I think based on pictures, problem is EOTS is too tall, so if they can rearrange it to fit the bay or use a long sensor like IRST21 it may be easier the physically add it in.
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Unread post15 Jan 2022, 01:10

disconnectedradical wrote:
mixelflick wrote:This is great news, and will probably extend the Raptor's career somewhat. USAF I think planned to retire it early, sometime around 2030?

Whoever proposes retiring the F-22 before NGAD is on the flight line is going to have a really hard time justifying why, especially if F-15C's (or even the F-15EX) is still flying. It looks way too heavy, but I wonder if the legion pod can be mounted on the AIM-9 rails?

Would seem to get around the "we just don't have the real estate" issue cited by USAF prior when this issue came up...


Why AIM-9 rails? Better to use the compartment under the nose. I think based on pictures, problem is EOTS is too tall, so if they can rearrange it to fit the bay or use a long sensor like IRST21 it may be easier the physically add it in.

Exactly. If you were gonna give up the AIM-9 bay, it'd be better to figure out a way to get more internal fuel, than to put an IRST there, that takes away the VLO advantage.
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Unread post15 Jan 2022, 01:17

Maybe they should put 6 to 8 arrays on the plane like DAS. 2 in the cheeks, 1 small array In the nose, and 1 aft where the current man's lies.
They could make it a poor man's DAS.
With out the EOTS to slew. It might require updating circuit boards and the data bus, but the plane likely needs this anyway. I have a AV guy from my church that could wire this in hours with a MacBook.
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Unread post15 Jan 2022, 01:45

jessmo112 wrote:Maybe they should put 6 to 8 arrays on the plane like DAS. 2 in the cheeks, 1 small array In the nose, and 1 aft where the current man's lies.
They could make it a poor man's DAS.
With out the EOTS to slew. It might require updating circuit boards and the data bus, but the plane likely needs this anyway. I have a AV guy from my church that could wire this in hours with a MacBook.

:doh:

Someone should do basic research on the AN/AAR-56 and its spectrum before making asinine suggestions.
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Unread post15 Jan 2022, 03:36

You think I was serious, when I said my buddy could wire this? I was kidding. On a serious note after all of the issues with the F-35s DAS overcoming issues like.
Jitter, ghost images, in-flight refueling blind spots ect ect, that the tech would be mastered. You would think that handy solutions are available.
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