F-22 AIRST

Is there any info about cancelled Raptor IRST? Is there any chance F-22 even get IRST?

It needs to get MADL and then keep a few F-35s close by to share passive targeting.

For some info on the IRST read these threads -

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/i ... 0/all.html

and

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/i ... 5.390.html

It needs to get MADL and then keep a few F-35s close by to share passive targeting.

For some info on the IRST read these threads -

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/i ... 0/all.html

and

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/i ... 5.390.html

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

Pretty much everything has been dropped from future plans for the Raptor. With only ~180 airframes, development/integration of upgrades isn't worth the trouble, especially as the F-35 comes on-line. I expect they'll all end up in the bone-yard whilst some F-15Cs are still flying, a crying shame.

At least 2 threads on these boards dealing with Jetpack, Project Missouri highlighting priority being given to linking different 5G platforms as well as 5G to 4G. Many ways proposed to skin that particular cat.

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

Pretty much everything has been dropped from future plans for the Raptor. With only ~180 airframes, development/integration of upgrades isn't worth the trouble, especially as the F-35 comes on-line. I expect they'll all end up in the bone-yard whilst some F-15Cs are still flying, a crying shame.

I wouldn't say that. Increments 3.1, 3.2, 3.3...... All of these add new and improved capabilities.

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

Pretty much everything has been dropped from future plans for the Raptor. With only ~180 airframes, development/integration of upgrades isn't worth the trouble, especially as the F-35 comes on-line. I expect they'll all end up in the bone-yard whilst some F-15Cs are still flying, a crying shame.

Considering how long the USAF has dragged more life out of its F-16's and F-15's, I'd say that's a miscalculation. The Raptor will have every last bit of life squeezed out of it. Even in the future it will still be a capable platform. Bear in mind that both the F-22 and the F-35 are designed with far more modular and robust airframes than previous 4th gen aircraft. Also, in the future, it is not a stretch to assume that maintenece procedures and equipment will be far superior than what we have today, allowing operators to lengthen the service lives of their equipment greatly.

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

Pretty much everything has been dropped from future plans for the Raptor. With only ~180 airframes, development/integration of upgrades isn't worth the trouble, especially as the F-35 comes on-line. I expect they'll all end up in the bone-yard whilst some F-15Cs are still flying, a crying shame.

I wouldn't say that. Increments 3.1, 3.2, 3.3...... All of these add new and improved capabilities.

+1

According to one source I've read a while back, the leading edge flaps on the production F-22 got extended inwards because they got rid of the AIRST, which would've been at the wing root. Now there have been some talks of upgrading the F-22's MLD to have IRST functionality like the F-35's DAS, which I think would be a substantial upgrade.

That said, I think the dedicated AIRST of the F-22 would have a smaller field of view compared to each camera of the MLD, so the dedicated system could have better range and target identification. Here are some pictures of current sensor locations on the F-22.




I'm wondering if it's still possible to retrofit them into the wing root somehow (might not be possible).

I don't know how much I'd trust that schematic for the Raptor. There are not countermeasure dispensers on the top of the fuselage as shown in the middle illustration and pic. The innermost locations on both sides are where the APU and gun are.

It is probable similar to this:

http://www.mycity-military.com/slika.ph ... 6_natf.gif

MADL has been dropped from future plans for Raptor.

Pretty much everything has been dropped from future plans for the Raptor. With only ~180 airframes, development/integration of upgrades isn't worth the trouble, especially as the F-35 comes on-line. I expect they'll all end up in the bone-yard whilst some F-15Cs are still flying, a crying shame.

Considering how long the USAF has dragged more life out of its F-16's and F-15's, I'd say that's a miscalculation. The Raptor will have every last bit of life squeezed out of it. Even in the future it will still be a capable platform. Bear in mind that both the F-22 and the F-35 are designed with far more modular and robust airframes than previous 4th gen aircraft. Also, in the future, it is not a stretch to assume that maintenece procedures and equipment will be far superior than what we have today, allowing operators to lengthen the service lives of their equipment greatly.

Which is only 'necessary' sadly (as a last-resort), due to a fundamentally flawed (anti-seamless and unsustainable) modernization and recap/acquisition process being implemented still today.

Given more strategic planning and prudent process though, there would most likely be more balanced and sensible upgrade, life-extension and new-build procurement in actual benefit to national defense and security policy. God speed.

Is there any info about cancelled Raptor IRST? Is there any chance F-22 even get IRST?

Buy a few new-build F-15SA+ (w/ AGP-82, etc) for USAF and simply equip with IRST (as well as modern ECM capabilities) as 'escort' for F-22 in future. Call it a day.

Which is only 'necessary' sadly (as a last-resort), due to a fundamentally flawed (anti-seamless and unsustainable) modernization and recap/acquisition process being implemented still today.

Given more strategic planning and prudent process though, there would most likely be more balanced and sensible upgrade, life-extension and new-build procurement in actual benefit to national defense and security policy. God speed.

Well you got all the right buzzwords in there. Unfortunately you forgot the biggest problem when it comes to planning: the politicians.

Is there any info about cancelled Raptor IRST? Is there any chance F-22 even get IRST?

Buy a few new-build F-15SA+ (w/ AGP-82, etc) for USAF and simply equip with IRST (as well as modern ECM capabilities) as 'escort' for F-22 in future. Call it a day.

or simply put an IRST on an F-22. call it a day.