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Re: Czech F-35s?

Unread postPosted: 30 Jul 2022, 00:11
by ricnunes
laos wrote:Would you be so kind as to point out to me where the border between Chile and Brazil is, because I don't see how Chile would be a threat to Brazil and where this potential Brazil-Chile war could take place.


And would you be so kind in actually reading what I posted?
This is what I actually said about the subject:
...but then again Chile shouldn't be a threat to Brazil.


So and in case you missed it, I actually said that Chile is NOT a threat to Brazil and vice-versa for that matter! (and this not just because they don't share borders but this would be another totally unrelated topic of discussion)


laos wrote:According to available information, the Brazilians will build the fuselages and assemble the aircraft.


Again, I actually said and meant that in my last post. Granted that I didn't mention the assembling the aircraft part but I think that most people here already know this so I didn't mentioned it.


laos wrote:This will provide them with a lot of knowledge on how to maintain aircraft, how to repair, overhaul and modernize them.


No, it won't.
Brazil already has an advanced aerospace industry in the form of Embraer which develops, builds, repairs, overhauls and modernize several and different types of aircraft. So building some Gripen E/F parts (or even the full fuselage) won't give them any meaningful knowledge on top of what they already have.


laos wrote:South American countries as you look at their history have often had governments that the world did not like. There have been economic sanctions.


Oh no, not this again! The typical Latin American excuse to justify their own failures! :roll:
The South American countries had several failures during their history due and only due to themselves such as having highly corrupt societies (which is reflected on the ruling class). This wasn't the "evil Uncle Sam's" fault!


laos wrote:Building an aircraft domestically increases the resilience of Brazil's armed forces against any sanctions imposed on their country.


Nope, the Gripen E won't save Brazil in case of being subjected to sanctions. If the Americans sanction Brazil their Gripen E fleet (or a significant/big part of it) won't fly because they wouldn't be able to get parts for the F414 engines and neither replacement engines.
And if the British decide to sanction Brazil it will probably be even worse since one third (1/3) of the Gripen E is actually British made.
And usually when the USA sanctions a country Britain follows suit and vice-versa so this would be even more disastrous to Brazil if something like this happened. So no, Brazilian Gripen E/F wouldn't be saved from sanctions.


laos wrote:As for the American GE414 engine. When the Gripen C/D and its GE 404 engine were produced, it was assembled and then overhauled in Sweden by Volvo. I suspect it is the same now, and the Swedes can train the Brazilians to repair the GE414. It won't be like with the engines for the F-16, which the Polish Air Force has to send to the US and wait a year for repair because P&W doesn't want to give Polish jet engine overhaul plants the know-how to overhaul their engines.


To start with, those are different cases. In the case of the Gripen C/D the F404 was licence build by Volvo as the RM12. But even being licence build they cannot export the engine, engine parts of engine repair/overhaul knowledge because that is part of the deal that allows the Swedes to actually build the engine as the RM12. And in the case of the Gripen E, the F414 engine is build by General Electric (and not by Volvo).
On top of this there's also what sprstdlyscottsmn correctly said:
- The Swedes still cannot legally provide F414s to Brazil without the US approving the sale.