Update: F-35 Block 4 Upgrades and New F-35B At-Sea Users

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Unread post27 Jan 2021, 00:37

EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK IN THIS VERY LONG ARTICLE ABOUT BLOCK FOUR UPGRADES for the F-35 Family.
Update: F-35 Block 4 Upgrades and New F-35B At-Sea Users
25 Jan 2021 Peter Ong

"U.S. Marine Corps F-35Bs and U.S. Navy F-35Cs will mature with Block 4 software upgrades. But Full F-35 Production Waits for the Biden Administration to Make Key Production Decisions. Meanwhile, the number of foreign operators of F-35B is growing....

Photo: "NAVAL STATION ROTA, Spain (June 26, 2019) A cockpit demonstrator instructor working for Lockheed Martin Aeronautics, references data on the cockpit display of an F-35 Lightning II cockpit demonstrator aboard Naval Station (NAVSTA) Rota, Spain. [Author: The F-35 Simulator’s instrument panel shows how improved and increased computer processing power and memory can feed more sensor data faster to improve pilot situational awareness and combat performance.] Photo by Petty Officer 3rd Class Eduardo T Otero " https://g7a6v6x7.rocketcdn.me/wp-conten ... trator.jpg


Source: https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... sea-users/
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Unread post27 Jan 2021, 13:42

Faster mission computers, 25% increase in range and 6 vs. 4 internal AMRAAM's (and later, AIM-260's) will be a massive improvement in combat capability. And that's before more powerful motors.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near an F-35, nevermind a flight of them/skyborgs. It has to be downright frightening to be an SU-35, J-10C or even J-20 pilot right now. And yet, Roper is talking about building new F-16's,LOL...
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Unread post27 Jan 2021, 14:21

mixelflick wrote:Faster mission computers, 25% increase in range and 6 vs. 4 internal AMRAAM's (and later, AIM-260's) will be a massive improvement in combat capability. And that's before more powerful motors.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near an F-35, nevermind a flight of them/skyborgs. It has to be downright frightening to be an SU-35, J-10C or even J-20 pilot right now. And yet, Roper is talking about building new F-16's,LOL...

Where do you read about 25% increase in range?
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Unread post28 Jan 2021, 15:20

pron wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Faster mission computers, 25% increase in range and 6 vs. 4 internal AMRAAM's (and later, AIM-260's) will be a massive improvement in combat capability. And that's before more powerful motors.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near an F-35, nevermind a flight of them/skyborgs. It has to be downright frightening to be an SU-35, J-10C or even J-20 pilot right now. And yet, Roper is talking about building new F-16's,LOL...

Where do you read about 25% increase in range?


From the EFT's supposedly being worked on. I think it was Military watch magazine. Yes, its Russian PR but I also saw it somewhere else. I did think it was a stretch, after looking at how much additional drag came from carrying that much more fuel externally...
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Unread post28 Jan 2021, 23:12

mixelflick wrote:
pron wrote:
mixelflick wrote:Faster mission computers, 25% increase in range and 6 vs. 4 internal AMRAAM's (and later, AIM-260's) will be a massive improvement in combat capability. And that's before more powerful motors.

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near an F-35, nevermind a flight of them/skyborgs. It has to be downright frightening to be an SU-35, J-10C or even J-20 pilot right now. And yet, Roper is talking about building new F-16's,LOL...

Where do you read about 25% increase in range?


From the EFT's supposedly being worked on. I think it was Military watch magazine. Yes, its Russian PR but I also saw it somewhere else. I did think it was a stretch, after looking at how much additional drag came from carrying that much more fuel externally...


Actually, 25% more range from 2 600 gallon tanks isn't unreasonable at all. If they're stealthy, that's even better, as they can be used tactically as well as for ferrying.
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Unread post28 Jan 2021, 23:24

Lockheed actually claimed a 40% increase from 600 gallon bags as recently as 2019

Granted it's a lockheed claim...but still.

Lockheed Looking at Extending the F-35’s Range, Weapons Suite
June 17, 2019 | By Brian W. Everstine

An F-35 deployed from Hill AFB, Utah, sits as a static display at the Paris Air Show on June 17, 2010. Staff photo by Brian Everstine.

LE BOURGET, France—Lockheed Martin is looking at dramatically increasing the range of the F-35 by adding external fuel tanks while also planning to expand the suite of weapons the aircraft can carry.

Adding 600-gallon fuel tanks to the strike fighter would provide about a 40 percent increase of range, said Greg Ulmer, Lockheed vice president and general manager of the F-35 program, June 17 at the Paris Air Show.

“There’s several customers that are interested in extending the range of the airplane,” Ulmer said, without specifying which countries.

Early in the program, the plan was for the F-35 to carry 480-gallon drop tanks on the inboard wing stations, but that requirement was dropped due to the aircraft’s significant internal fuel volume.

The aircraft is largely ready for external tanks. There are 12 stations on the strike fighter for weapons pylons; wing stations three and nine—the two closest to the fuselage—are “already piped to accept fuel on the wings,” Ulmer said. Lockheed is now analyzing how to best integrate tanks and the impact that would have on the stealth signature of the jet.

Additionally, for the Block 4 upgrade Lockheed is looking at increasing the internal payload from four weapons to six. The upgrade will also expand the suite of weapons it can carry, adding Small Diameter Bomb II, the Advanced Short Range Air-to-Air Missile, the Joint Strike Missile, and the Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile, among others. This could eventually include future externally carried hypersonic missiles, Ulmer said.

There is no set timeline for the integration of the weapons or the external tanks.

The Pentagon and Lockheed last week announced a “handshake deal” on Lot 12 with options for Lots 13 and 14 at a total of $34 billion for 478 aircraft, including foreign partners and customers.

The deal would put the cost per F-35A at about $80 million. Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition Ellen Lord told reporters the Defense Department “worked very hard” to get to that level. Over the past 18 months, the government and Lockheed have undertaken a data-driven review of the supply chain and manufacturing process to find these savings. Going forward, the DOD wants to “continue to realize efficiencies” in manufacturing and sustainment to get the mission capable rate of the aircraft to rise and lower the cost per flight hour.

Lockheed is trying to reach a goal of $25,000 per flight hour by 2025, and has a new life cycle sustainment plan with the Defense Department to try to reach it, though there is not a contractual requirement for the goal, Ulmer said.

https://www.airforcemag.com/lockheed-lo ... ons-suite/
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Unread post29 Jan 2021, 03:13

What is the exact 'deficiency' of F-35 fighter jet? Lockheed reveals

Approximately 100 new deficiency reports were written in 2020 on the F-35 fighter jet, Lockheed said

“In fact, many deficiency reports document opportunities for improvement from pilots and maintainers for consideration above and beyond contractual obligations," the company said.

“These are called enhancements and are documented as deficiency reports, because there is no other program or process in place to record this feedback from the test sites.”


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Unread post29 Jan 2021, 05:44

alloycowboy wrote:What is the exact 'deficiency' of F-35 fighter jet? Lockheed reveals

Approximately 100 new deficiency reports were written in 2020 on the F-35 fighter jet, Lockheed said

“In fact, many deficiency reports document opportunities for improvement from pilots and maintainers for consideration above and beyond contractual obligations," the company said.

“These are called enhancements and are documented as deficiency reports, because there is no other program or process in place to record this feedback from the test sites.”


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'deficiency' report earlier posted here while FightGlobular is NEVER KIND to me a great unwashed UNSUB subscriber so it was nice to use BING of all things & EDGE to be able to see your pointer to the article referred to in your post-full text?

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Unread post30 Jan 2021, 00:56

Another reminder from 2017 about PCD upgrade along with other TR3 [tech refresh] stuff wot enables BLOCK 4 upgrades.
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Unread post04 Jun 2021, 16:48

Do or Not. 8)
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/ai ... der-review
Air Force F-35 retrofit plan 'under review'
By Courtney Albon / May 20, 2021
The Air Force may update its F-35 retrofit plan to include more than 470 aircraft in low-rate initial production lots 5 through 16. The plan, which is currently under review, would increase the number of F-35As to receive the Technical Refresh 3 and Block 4 upgrades, Air Force spokeswoman Laura McAndrews told Inside Defense in an email. "The updated retrofit plan will be confirmed with the release of the FY-22 budget," she said. "Any updates to the plan will...
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Unread post10 Jun 2021, 22:27

Norwegians hint at Block 5 - timeline and funding:

JSM is integrated into the F-35 block 4 which will be ready until the Air Force declares full operational capability (FOC) with its 52 fighter aircraft from 2025.

The aircraft will of course also be upgraded after block 4, and NOK 6.3 billion has been set aside for Norway for further development in the period 2025-2030.

What kind of capacities will be added here, and which according to the plan will be in place by 2035, depends on what is adopted as a priority by the multinational program office JPO.


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Unread post11 Jun 2021, 01:53

energo wrote:Norwegians hint at Block 5 - timeline and funding:

JSM is integrated into the F-35 block 4 which will be ready until the Air Force declares full operational capability (FOC) with its 52 fighter aircraft from 2025.

The aircraft will of course also be upgraded after block 4, and NOK 6.3 billion has been set aside for Norway for further development in the period 2025-2030.

What kind of capacities will be added here, and which according to the plan will be in place by 2035, depends on what is adopted as a priority by the multinational program office JPO.


https://www.tu.no/artikler/norske-myndi ... ter/510735


A decade would make sense. Using COTS components these will have to happen ever decade. Thanks for the link, the google translate made it entertaining:

"Norwegian industry has hijacked F-35 contracts worth ten billion kroner."
"Poison knife and watchdog"

I wonder if it is just google or is Norwegian this colorful?
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Unread post11 Jun 2021, 09:42

h-bomb wrote:
energo wrote:Norwegians hint at Block 5 - timeline and funding:

JSM is integrated into the F-35 block 4 which will be ready until the Air Force declares full operational capability (FOC) with its 52 fighter aircraft from 2025.

The aircraft will of course also be upgraded after block 4, and NOK 6.3 billion has been set aside for Norway for further development in the period 2025-2030.

What kind of capacities will be added here, and which according to the plan will be in place by 2035, depends on what is adopted as a priority by the multinational program office JPO.


https://www.tu.no/artikler/norske-myndi ... ter/510735


A decade would make sense. Using COTS components these will have to happen ever decade. Thanks for the link, the google translate made it entertaining:

"Norwegian industry has hijacked F-35 contracts worth ten billion kroner."
"Poison knife and watchdog"

I wonder if it is just google or is Norwegian this colorful?

It's google, but I also think that Norwegian can be rather difficult to translate. A better translation would be: "Norwegian industry has secured F-35 contracts worth ten billion kroner."
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Unread post11 Jun 2021, 11:28

h-bomb wrote:I wonder if it is just google or is Norwegian this colorful?

Poison knife refers to matchmaker (arranges marriages).

Kirsten Giftekniv (also called Kirsten Gifte-Kniv or Kirsten Gifteknivs) is a character in the one-act comedy "The Transformed Groom" which was written by Ludvig Holberg and published in 1753.

https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirsten_Giftekniv

Danish interpretation:
Kirsten Giftekniv was originally a term for a woman who, for a fee, sought to find a suitable party for a man or woman and bring the two parties together. Now it is used sarcastically about a person who is eager to establish relationships for others.

The term has been used several times by Ludvig Holberg, perhaps with reference to living persons. The word 'knife' in poison knife is probably a nicer word for p enis. Possibly the term Poison Knife has been used about brothel hosts.

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Unread post15 Jun 2021, 03:10

What Lot are we on now???
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