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Re: 58th Fighter Squadron F-35A crashes during night landing

Unread postPosted: 18 Dec 2020, 18:56
by Gums
Salute!

GASP. I am losing track of dates.... a lesson to all here: getting old happens quicker than you think

I only question why this picture referenced the later crash?

Gums sends...

Re: 58th Fighter Squadron F-35A crashes during night landing

Unread postPosted: 18 Dec 2020, 19:27
by spazsinbad
'Gums' Did you want to see a photo of the aircraft after the crash? A photo before the crash makes sense to me though.

Re: 58th Fighter Squadron F-35A crashes during night landing

Unread postPosted: 25 Dec 2020, 22:16
by spazsinbad
Perhaps a reason why the 'crash pilot' had been flying 200 KIAS landing in the simulator may be this issue from wayback:
"03 May 2007 - Due to control problems with right wing flaperons, the JSF has to make that landing at an exceptional high speed of 220 knots (350 km/hr). The plane’s undercarriage, brakes and tires are damaged...."
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=10847&p=130830&hilit=internal+problem%2A+SAR%2A#p130830
ORIGINAL: https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/f- ... ems-04311/

Re: 58th Fighter Squadron F-35A crashes during night landing

Unread postPosted: 26 Dec 2020, 00:05
by outlaw162
I wonder why Raptor CLAW in his rebuttal post wouldn't/couldn't address the specific need 'way back' then for 'Slim' to do a 220 knot landing at that time. Everything else was addressed. He referenced AIB/SIB proceedings as precluding an explanation of the 220.

Is he still out there? Can he address the real or perceived reason for 220 now? Controllability check results?

Is there still now an abnormal that requires a 200 knot landing? Flaperon response? Sounds very 'no-flapish' with barely adequate 'rons'. Although the bottom line here is the guy at Eglin didn't really intend to be at 200 anyway.

(In the case of severely damaged hydraulics, the good 'ole F-105 initially had a backup 'pilot' recovery system for roll control using the flaps only which was entirely electric. A form of non-software flaperon. You could maintain reasonable control to a safe bailout area. Operated with a little toggle switch on the right console. You could also correct an asymmetric flap condition with it. Done that.

It eventually was morphed to an 'aircraft' recovery system which used only flaps for roll and (gasp) pitch control electrically and theoretically could get the aircraft on the ground. Required a fairly high approach speed with only two surfaces doing everything. When I went thru the local F-105 check-out school at FWH, aptly named 'Ding Dong School', as the instructor came to this portion of the course he recommended I never use it. :shock: )

Re: 58th Fighter Squadron F-35A crashes during night landing

Unread postPosted: 02 Jan 2021, 03:14
by spazsinbad
This old accident comparison graphic at 750,000 flight hours is here for historical archive purposes a comparison to F-35.

The Air Force/General Dynamics F-111 Fighter-Bomber Today Nov 1978
http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/20 ... today.html

https://www.docdroid.com/Lg0BVXf/genera ... -today-pdf (0.6Mb)