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Unread post26 Jan 2021, 17:51

ricnunes wrote:Good "catch" jessmo!

Regarding your question, that should be an "absolute yes".

In theory they (F-35's over Lebanon/Beirut) should be "within range" of S-300s and namely S-400s based on Latakia granted that the F-35s could be detected by these systems (which seems obviously that they can't) because Latakia is located at around 187 km from Beirut in a straight line, something that you can watch in the picture that I'll share below.

In the same picture you can also see that for example Damascus is much closer to Beirut than Latakia.

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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QSzzQ1 ... sp=sharing


Im sure its more of a Question of the peace loving and Patient Syrians, sparing the Israeli AF from losing there greatest asset. Im sure that they detect the F-35 all the time, but because of Assads Kind heart, he will only shoot at F-16s (And Russian planes) to avoid hurting IAF feelings. But a warning to you infidels, WE KNOW your there and we aren't shooting at you on purpose.
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Unread post26 Jan 2021, 17:55

The Russian take

1. Its the export S-300 that cant detect the F-35. The Russian version detected the F-35 while Taxiing.

2. The Syrians are not trained as well as the Russian techs. Our Russian operated S-400s would have detected them right away.

Am I doing it right? I just couldn't help but take a few Jabs.
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Unread post26 Jan 2021, 18:06

jessmo112 wrote:Im sure its more of a Question of the peace loving and Patient Syrians, sparing the Israeli AF from losing there greatest asset. Im sure that they detect the F-35 all the time, but because of Assads Kind heart, he will only shoot at F-16s (And Russian planes) to avoid hurting IAF feelings. But a warning to you infidels, WE KNOW your there and we aren't shooting at you on purpose.


You're obviously right! What was I thinking of! :wink:

The real fact that the S-300 can obviously detect the F-35 without any problems and at very long ranges reminded me a picture that I took from the following real bird:
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“Active stealth” is what the ignorant nay sayers call ECM and pretend like it’s new.
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Unread post28 Jan 2021, 09:18

THE U.S. HAS ITS HANDS ON PANSTIR

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... bya-report

Now all we need is to smuggle an S-400.
And HQ-9, and all non-western IADS will be compromised.
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Unread post29 Jan 2021, 03:35

milosh wrote:
Also with new modules AESA are better and better but saying just because it is PESA it isn't good is nonsense.


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The FACT is that AESA radars will always have better performance than PESA radars. It has been discussed many times here in the past on how AESA radar capabilities surpass PESA radars.
AESA radars have over PESA radars...
> higher resolution
> better LPI/LPD capability
> better SAR imagery
> wider band width
> faster search while track and scan modes
> more resistant to jamming
> tighter and more varied beam control

Russian state controlled media (propaganda) tries so hard to claim that because their PESA radars are larger and have a higher output power, their radars are just as good if not better than western AESA radars of similar size and power.

@jessmo112
Yeah, that must have been one serious covert op...
https://www.overtdefense.com/2021/01/28 ... any-by-us/
Also I am pretty sure the US and NATO now have some valuable SIGINT stuff on Russian and Chinese systems. F-22s, F-35s, and other SIGINT assets have been soaking up a lot of stuff in and around Syria. The F-22's RWR (AN/ALR-94) is nothing to sneeze at...
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Unread post29 Jan 2021, 07:37

charlielima223 wrote:
milosh wrote:
Also with new modules AESA are better and better but saying just because it is PESA it isn't good is nonsense.


The FACT is that AESA radars will always have better performance than PESA radars. It has been discussed many times here in the past on how AESA radar capabilities surpass PESA radars.
AESA radars have over PESA radars...
> higher resolution
> better LPI/LPD capability
> better SAR imagery
> wider band width
> faster search while track and scan modes
> more resistant to jamming
> tighter and more varied beam control


I'd like to add:
>longer range (roughly 50-100% with GaAs modules, much more with GaN modules)
>higher number of simultaneous tracks
>higher reliability (yes, modern PESAs are very reliable, but AESA even more)
>can also operate as very high gain ESM, EW and high-speed communications system simultaneously with radar functions
>much better clutter rejection (superior in detecting small RCS objects in ground/sea clutter or in jammed environment)

Downside is that AESAs require a LOT of computing power and software to get all these benefits.
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Unread post10 Feb 2021, 08:13

Stumbled across these and hadn't seen them posted on here anywhere. With the reference to NTTR, I imagine this is being used for IADS simulation at events like Red Flag:

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https://twitter.com/MIL_STD/status/1353375089715159048

EDIT: Found the original source of the slides above:

http://www.itea.org/images/pdf/conferen ... May%202015).pdf
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Unread post13 Feb 2021, 04:45

jessmo112 wrote:The Russian take

1. Its the export S-300 that cant detect the F-35. The Russian version detected the F-35 while Taxiing.

2. The Syrians are not trained as well as the Russian techs. Our Russian operated S-400s would have detected them right away.

Am I doing it right? I just couldn't help but take a few Jabs.


I heard the Russians detected them, while they were still in their hangars and the pilots in the briefing rooms...
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Unread post13 Feb 2021, 13:06

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