Inside the F-35s cockpit

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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 06:55

Ive seen pic before explaining the various functions. But today I have seen things that I have never noticed.
*Notice* I'm assuming before hand since this is from a legit site that the info has been declassified, so there should be no OPSPEC involved. If your not comfortable for any reason feel free to ignore me. with that out of the way here goes.

1. What is the green line in front of the F-35? it can be a radar track at that angle. Its nearly diamond shaped.

2. What are the targets labeled with spokes? How does he tell what's ground and what's air?

3. Again how does the pilot make sense of this jumble of icosn? is this a ground target?

4. what's going on here is this the sensor display or a fuel display?

I had hoped for honest answers, the setup seems very modern, almost like my generation of video game players designed it.
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 06:58

A link to the original article.

https://fightersweep.com/ and on #1 I made a mistake, Not diamond shaped, its more like a buttocks shape AHEM.
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 07:28

The AVIONICS subsection of the F-35 Forum has a long running HMDS/PCD Panoramic Cockpit Display thread. This link to it shows another variation of the display (graphic below): viewtopic.php?f=62&t=16223&p=279459&hilit=Misawa#p279459

Graphic: download/file.php?id=19493&t=1 Some more info: viewtopic.php?f=62&t=16223&p=221812&hilit=color#p221812

There is a post describing the colour code - will find = will know....
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 07:41

Spaz, someone mentioned it might be the SAR, map. But I still think the curvature is odd. either way. I'm searching the thread, but still find no questions to my answers ahem. Maybe Im missing it in the video, I cant watch on work servers.
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 07:52

Don't expect me to know anything about the F-35. I have not seen it. I have not seen the 'travel simulator'. All I know is text/videos from the internet. Anyhoo... THERE will be links to same info below [SKAFF] somewhere which I'll find soon....
The Impact of Advanced Fusion in 5th Generation Fighters on Combat Capability
Michael Skaff, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company

"...The Tactical Situation Display
The Tactical Situation Display (TSD) is where the fusion engine’s picture is displayed.... Now, instead of the pilot monitoring a separate display per sensor, fusion presents a single integrated common operational picture (COP) on the TSD.

The picture is an easy to interpret graphical representation of what surrounds ownship. It is color coded such that red diamonds, green circles, and yellow squares correspond to foe, friend, and suspect.

The differing geometric shapes are Combat identification (CID) is performed automatically by using all of the information from each onboard sensor as well as offboard datalinks.

Another key aspect that enhances situation awareness is the use of common symbols across the services and international fleet of F-35s. In legacy fighter cockpits there are differing symbol sets.

There is a lot of learning and a high potential for misunderstanding as pilots communicate. Whether pilots are flying an F-35A, B, or C model, they use the exact same symbol set.

With the F-35, pilots are speaking the same language – no matter their service or nation – and using the exact same terms to describe what they’re seeing and how they’re interacting with the display.

It’s very graphical and very clear to the fleet. Its simplicity and standardization will one day enable ground commanders to easily use the pilot’s picture for an improved perspective on the battlefield...."

Source: http://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploa ... Fusion.pdf
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 08:02

Spaz your Goggle-Fu is strong!
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 08:26

I'm interested so over the years since joining this forum not knowing anything about the F-35 the resources and people here have been used to edumacate me about the F-35 and I have spent some time edumacating meself - as I know.

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=26158&p=278080&hilit=Skaff#p278080 Search on SKAFF for the real deal - as oft said this chap is a genius. Scroll down from this URL and search for more....

Graphic: download/file.php?id=19421&t=1

F-35 Lightning II Cockpit Vision SKAFF 2010-01-2330.pdf (0.8Mb) download/file.php?id=19422

Another explanation colours etc: viewtopic.php?f=22&t=25918&p=277594&hilit=Skaff+Tactical+Situation+Display#p277594
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 08:50

A vvery good look inside watch the flash video.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -each.html
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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 09:29

Same same video here:

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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 09:38

The New Front Office
John Kent 15 Jun 2006

"...“The twenty- by eight-inch display provides expansive tactical workspace for manipulating the system and for segmenting down to twelve individual displays,” he says. “It places navigation, threat warning, target designation, and ordnance displays together for quick reference. The Joint Strike Fighter has been specifically designed to reduce pilot workload by minimizing cockpit switches, increasing system automation, and reducing displayed information to only critical items the pilot requires to complete current tasks. The active stick and throttle allows real-time control shaping to optimize feel and aircraft response as a function of current flight envelope and mode.”

Text and symbology on the MFD are color-coded to contrast clearly and sharply with the absolute black of the display screen background. Bob Russell, who manages simulations for the team integrating F-35 pilot systems, simplifies the significance of the colors. “In general, green indicates good or safe conditions, yellow indicates potential problems requiring pilot attention, and red indicates serious conditions demanding immediate pilot attention,” he says. “For example, text for advisories appears in green, cautions appear in yellow, and warnings appear in red.”

The same color codes apply to exterior objects, other aircraft, and phenomena detected by the F-35’s sensors. Symbols on the tactical display appear green if the aircraft’s sensors or off-board assets determine these objects are friendly. If unknown to the sensors, objects appear yellow. If identified as potential adversaries, objects appear red. “We also use blue and magenta, but sparingly,” adds Russell. “We use shades of gray to outline maps and to outline the aircraft planform shown on various subsystem formats, such as fuel, flight controls, and weapons. The symbols representing air and ground threats appear in different shapes that, along with the colors, enhance the pilot’s comprehension and situational awareness.”

Among the other cockpit features is voice activation of certain aircraft functions. “In the movie Firefox, thought or voice control is used to command weapons,” Beesley says. “Finger activation, however, is much quicker than voice activation. Consequently, we do not use voice activation for tasks that demand split-second decisions. We use voice commands to take care of duties that normally require numerous inputs on a keypad, such as punching in navigation coordinates and changing radio frequencies and bingo fuel amounts. Voice is very effective for housekeeping chores.”..."

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Unread post25 Mar 2016, 09:44

Some explanations of the functions/symbols of the PCD/TSD on a mission: + ENGADGET VIDEO watch at highest resolution:



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Unread post26 Mar 2016, 01:43

spazsinbad wrote:Some explanations of the functions/symbols of the PCD/TSD on a mission: + ENGADGET VIDEO watch at highest resolution:





What was it like in old times, when you wanted to do A2A ANd A2G? The video speaks about it as if being able to do both with seemless execution is a big deal.
I recall the story of captain Scott being shot down over Iraq while in A2G mode. I remember a F-18 guy locking
Up multiple Frog foots over the Persian Gulf.
I remember wondering " Did he have just AMRAAM?"
"Why not lock both targets up at once, rather than using Amraam and winder" WAS IT THAT difficult for earler 4th gen and 3rd gen fighters to walk and chew gum?
My generation is so used everything being smart this and that, and multi-tasking. I cant imagine a plane not doing both.
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Unread post26 Mar 2016, 02:09

Fast Jet Pilots can Walk & Talk & Chew Gum at the same time - no problem. :doh: However.... In olden tymes things were different. Multiple aircraft in a group had to strike a difficult target perhaps many times in many combined sorties when only dumb bombs were available. In Vietnam they had to deal with all kinds of threats multiple times, often having to use the same approach because of the terrain. Then... the recon aircraft had to fly over for BDA Bomb Damage Assess.

Fighter aircraft escorted the mud movers most likely. In the RAN FAA we practiced 'Strike Progression' which could mean some aircraft in a visual battle formation were bombed up whilst wing men had missiles and extra fuel to drive off bogies.

OR the entire bombed up battle formation would advance but turning together to keep bogies at bay. And on and on... my part of the world did not expect guided ground to air missiles or BVR combat. All visual - see by lookout to defeat threats.
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Unread post22 Jan 2021, 06:09

F-35 cockpit pilot ergonomics. 8) He seems to want a physical feel. :roll:
In addition to the F-35 cockpit, the article also covers BAe Hawk, AV-8B, and F/A-18A/C.
https://hushkit.net/2021/01/21/what-is- ... -cockpits/
What is good and bad about the F-35 cockpit: A ‘Panther’ pilot’s guide to modern cockpits
JANUARY 21, 2021
My background – Current F-35 pilot and Weapons School graduate. I Have flown the Harrier II and F/A-18 Hornet operationally as well as instructing Tactics and Weapons training squadrons.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II
Obviously I’m limited in what I’m allowed to tell you about this machine, but I’ll stick to what is available in the public domain. First up, there’s no HUD as its all integrated into the helmet. The technology of the helmet is great, but I’d take a HUD any day. It all comes down to physics – you can only shrink things so much before they start to become degraded, and HUDs have bigger optics than helmets…currently.

The side-stick is something I thought would be difficult to convert to, but in all honesty it was a non-event. The rest of the cockpit is beautiful to look at – nothing analogue, all digital with about 10 actual switches in the cockpit. Notice I say beautiful to look at, not necessarily beautiful to interact with! In theory the all-glass display is great. It’s touchscreen, you can set it up to show pretty much anything you want in any layout you want. Take, for example, a fuel display. You can have it in a large window that shows you everything you could possibly want to know about the aircraft’s fuel system; the contents of each tank, which pumps are operating, fuel temperature, centre of gravity etc. Or you can shrink it into a smaller window that only shows more basic info. Or you don’t even display it at all because the Function Access Buttons (FAB) along the top of the display always has a small fuel section with the essential info visible at all times. That’s the beauty of the display – size and customisation. The drawback is in the complete lack of tactile response. It can be challenging to press the correct ‘button’ on the display whenever the jet is in motion as it is quite a bumpy ride at times. At present I am pressing the wrong part of the screen about 20% of the time in flight due to either mis-identification, or more commonly by my finger getting jostled around in turbulence or under G. One of the biggest drawbacks is that you can’t brace your hand against anything whilst typing – think how much easier it is to type on a smartphone with your thumbs versus trying to stab at a virtual keyboard on a large tablet with just your index finger.

Voice input is another feature of the jet, but not one I have found to be useful. It may work well on the ground in a test rig, but under G in flight it’s not something I have found to work consistently enough to rely on. I haven’t met anyone who uses it.

Having bashed the interface, the way this jet displays information to you is incredible. The sheer amount of situational awareness I gain from this aircraft and its displays is like nothing I’ve experienced before. The off-boresight helmet is much more accurate than legacy JHMCS systems and I find it clearer to read (although I still want a wide-angle HUD for flight and fight-critical data!). About the only thing missing from the whole cockpit is the lack of ‘feel’.
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Unread post22 Jan 2021, 07:34

New pilots out of flight school won't miss a thing. They'll be cool with it. Old pilots have difficulty adjusting we know.
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