‘F-16V’ designation

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Unread post07 Jun 2021, 19:43

I have some questions on the ‘F-16V’ designation. As I understand it, new-built Block 70/72 appears to be known as F-16V but will there be a differentiation between single and two-seat variants like how the F-16A/B and F-16C/D are? Also, do F-16A/C upgraded to F-16V standard maintain their original designations or are now renamed to F-16V as well?
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Unread post07 Jun 2021, 20:22

F-16V is just the short name. new-builts will still be F-16C/D block 70/72.

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Unread post07 Jun 2021, 20:32

If it stays as CD then all is good again.


The F-16 for India was marketed as just the Block 70 before they changed it to the "F-21 Block 70" because it has some major unique features that differ from the baseline new Block 70s.


Upgrades are the trick because most will have an unknown qty of the V avionics upgrades. So for example the Taiwan (ROCAF) are still AB Block 20 airframes but with some V upgrades - but will likely never have CFTs or other changes a new Block 72 airframe would have - so essentially would be F-16AB Block 20 with a V Upgrade.
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Unread post07 Jun 2021, 23:05

I'm still crossing my fingers for an optional DSI intake on F-16V complete with integrated targeting and navigation pods. And who isn't hoping they come up with an XL or AGILE big wing option?
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Unread post08 Jun 2021, 00:05

madrat wrote:I'm still crossing my fingers for an optional DSI intake on F-16V complete with integrated targeting and navigation pods. And who isn't hoping they come up with an XL or AGILE big wing option?

All that costs money, which should be spent more wisely.
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Unread post08 Jun 2021, 02:33

Presentation straight from Lockheed:

Lockheed calls it F-16 Block 70/72.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/ ... 0media.pdf
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Unread post08 Jun 2021, 04:21

Bjorn wrote:F-16V is just the short name. new-builts will still be F-16C/D block 70/72.

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So F-16V is used for marketing purposes then?
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Unread post08 Jun 2021, 20:40

orangefr3ak wrote:So F-16V is used for marketing purposes then?





Basically yes - originally the V was based on the word "Viper" according to Lockheed and there has never been any differentiation between single and duel seat models that I have seen - but as ever the marketing keeps changing.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/en-us/products/f-16.html

Meet the F-16 Block 70/72 – the newest and most advanced F-16 equipped with new capabilities based on the advanced F-16V configuration.


Thing is despite their official designation I would expect to see airforces refer to them collectively as Vs in the press regardless.
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Unread post09 Jun 2021, 06:51

Rather than a new version like the C/D was to the A/B, one should look at the block 70/72 as an upgrade package. This upgrade package has certain elements that will only be possible to implement for previous blocks, ie the conformal fuel tanks will be available to earlier blocks prepared for the CFT, but naturaly not for A/B models.
The cockpit, software and radar upgrades however should be available to most if not all earlier blocks.

Externally there is hardly anything giving away that those aircraft have been upgraded to "V" or block 70/72 standard, so without degrading in any way the content of the block 70/72 "package", this is a new upgrade standard for the F-16 that enhances it, but the "V" designation is merely marketing.

One should bear in mind that the use of A, B, C etc to distinguish models is something that isn't used in the same manner as before. For the F-35, the A/B/C designation distinguish between the perticulars of the models for the USAF vs. USMC vs USN. The inside however is covered in the block description.
Similarly the Rafale and Eurofighter Typhoon follow the same "block" system to reflect the standard.
In this light, the "V" designation should be dropped and the capabilities of the block 70/72 be used for clarity.
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Unread post09 Jun 2021, 06:55

That is what we decied too with the designations. If you search in our database you will find three types. New-builts are designated F-16C/D block 70/72, upgraded exemples will be designated F-16C/D block 70/72 V or F-16A/B block 72 V with the latter only applicable (for now) to the Taiwanese F-16s.

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Unread post09 Jun 2021, 10:42

Sounds like a good way to identify the block 70/72's Bjørn :D
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