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Re: Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

Unread postPosted: 29 May 2021, 07:39
by noth
Jean-Yves Le Drian (the French foreign minister, ex-defence minister) wins again. He's the only person in French gov in the past 30 years able to sell Rafales in the export market. Does make you wonder how he does it...

Meanwhile, this is the second deal France has done involving second hand Rafales, and the French AF doesn't exactly have zillions of them lying around. They're in for a capability gap in the 2022-2025 time unless somehow Rafale production accelerates. Could cause problem for their external ops commitments (Mali & Syria/Iraq).

Re: Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

Unread postPosted: 29 May 2021, 07:46
by milosh
madrat wrote:Novi Avon was overlap to Gripen. No real market.

Even a cheap JF-17 has little market penetration.


NA was developed for domestic market so export wasn't that relative but nonalignment countries would be its primary export market in future.

Re: Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

Unread postPosted: 30 May 2021, 08:40
by herciv
milosh wrote:While Croatia probable don't have money for this deal they will still go with it. Reason is simple our AF became lot stronger because we got more less free second hand MiG-29s from Russia and Belarus. So they need to counter that even though they are in NATO and chance of Serbia attack them is 0. But because of internal politics they need to do something.

Btw what is quite interested,1980s Yugoslavian Novi Avion/Yu supersonik project was nicknamed baby Rafale because it shared noticeable design similarities with Rafale and some sources mentioned french connection in that project:

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Re: Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

Unread postPosted: 08 Jun 2021, 14:06
by herciv
https://obris.org/hrvatska/francuski-ve ... rtnerstvo/
999 millions correspond to 12 rafales + training + armament + spare + simulator

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When it comes to the so-called complete package, does it include all the training, the aircraft and everything necessary for these aircraft to be operational in Croatia?

"Surely. That includes the aircraft, of course, the training, but also the equipment, including weapons, certainly, because they are military aircraft. But also, what I think is important for Croatia, is also a training flight simulator, which will be in Croatia, especially dedicated to the Rafale. This will be organized with the aim of training future generations of Croatian pilots. Because, as the Croatian Prime Minister said, this is a decision for the next thirty to forty years, something that is planned for the long term. "

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Re: Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

Unread postPosted: 13 Jun 2021, 20:40
by block4
milosh wrote:
madrat wrote:Novi Avon was overlap to Gripen. No real market.

Even a cheap JF-17 has little market penetration.


NA was developed for domestic market so export wasn't that relative but nonalignment countries would be its primary export market in future.


There's probably no such thing as a 'non-alignment' country these days unfortunately, but with respect to the actual topic here as far as the most pragmatic and optimal basic next-gen tactical fighter squadron Croatia could acquire and sustain for decades ahead in order to fulfill basic tactical air capabilities...maybe the Rafale is arguably the best deal for Croatia . One can always argue something against anything, right ?