Croatia begins evaluating new fighters

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Unread post21 Dec 2020, 16:04

madrat wrote:This is the size of country where F-5s and MiG-21s make sense and not much else.

How can Croatia entertain flying F-16 at any meaningful tempo?



Slovakia went for F-16s and its both physically smaller and with a smaller GDP than Croatia.

What appears to be happening is the "F-16" is the F-35 now, and the "light cheap F-5" is now the F-16.

F-16 is out-gripening the Gripen. Slovakia found heavily in favor of F-16 over Gripen in its evaluations that were made public.
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Unread post16 Jan 2021, 17:26

Didn't they made up their mind yet?
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Unread post16 Jan 2021, 19:30

Patriot wrote:Didn't they made up their mind yet?


Expected in "early 2021", no news yet.
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Unread post06 Mar 2021, 17:25

Croatian Fighter Jet Saga Continues, Decision Coming Soon?
https://www.total-croatia-news.com/poli ... ighter-jet

Above is a english-language summary of two croatian sources. According to the article Croatia will choose between used Rafales F3R and new F-16 Block 70/72s, eliminating used Israeli F-16s and "new Gripens" (still don't know wtf do they mean by that). Earthquake that hit Croatia recently being the latest snag in the process, but there seems to be resolution to go through with the process this time.
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Unread post08 Mar 2021, 22:23

hythelday wrote:Croatian Fighter Jet Saga Continues, Decision Coming Soon?
https://www.total-croatia-news.com/poli ... ighter-jet

Above is a english-language summary of two croatian sources. According to the article Croatia will choose between used Rafales F3R and new F-16 Block 70/72s, eliminating used Israeli F-16s and "new Gripens" (still don't know wtf do they mean by that). Earthquake that hit Croatia recently being the latest snag in the process, but there seems to be resolution to go through with the process this time.


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Block 70/72 F-16s are actually looking like a great value compared to even used F-16s. interesting
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Unread post09 Apr 2021, 14:19

Any news? How long they plan to postpone making and announcing the decision?
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Unread post10 Apr 2021, 16:12

Any reason used legacy Hornets aren't being considered?

I'd think that would offer them a respectable capability mix, while not breaking the bank. Rafale and F-16V won't come cheap, even given the fact its only 12 airframes.
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Unread post10 Apr 2021, 17:11

Believe they made a strategic desicion to only go for new-builds, not nicely worned (out)
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Unread post11 Apr 2021, 15:36

Patriot wrote:Any news? How long they plan to postpone making and announcing the decision?


As long as it suits them. Croatian AF is in shambles, lack of manpower, money and plan. There are hardly any younger pilots to fly new planes. MiG pilots are mostly too old, in their 40s and 50s. MiGs only fly during daytime as pilots are not qualified to fly at night.
It's a pipe dream. Nobody in their right mind would even consider any new jets, let alone Block 70s or Rafales.
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Unread post20 May 2021, 14:28

The Croatian government has decided to buy 12 used French F3R Rafale fighter jets, Jutarnji list has learned unofficially
well-informed sources.

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatsk ... i-15074628

The decision should be made by the Government for Armed Forces Day. It is a twin-engine fighter plane and, as we find out,
the oldest plane that would be delivered to Croatia is 10 years old. According to available information,
Croatia would pay just under a billion euros for the entire package, which includes planes, training and weapons.

At today's session of the Defense Council, support was given to the Government for the purchase of a fighter jet.

President Zoran Milanovic in the Croatia barracks said a little later that the government had not been given a recommendation on what
type of aircraft to buy, but hoped "that he and the prime minister understood each other well".
Asked if he knew which plane we were buying, he replied "No comment".


After the official decision of the Government to accept the French offer, negotiations on the contract follow.

If the contract were signed this year, France would deliver the first six planes in 2024, and the remaining six a year later.
President Milanović, on the other hand, said that planes must be in Croatia by 2024 at the latest.
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Unread post20 May 2021, 16:55

Confirmation.
As expected, Croatia will eventually solve the long-standing problem of the combat squadron by signing an agreement with France. The Government confirms this news after the session of the Defense Council, and it is expected that the Government will announce its decision on the selection of Rafale F3R manufacturer Dassault next week, until May 28, when the Armed Forces Day is celebrated or on that day. PURCHASE OF COMBAT PLANES French Ambassador: Here is why Rafale is the most ideal choice for Croatia Six months ago, the Interdepartmental Government Commission for Aircraft Selection made a Solomon decision and proposed to the Government a new aircraft as the winner [and ?] F-16 Block 70/72 .

Although Croatia has so far relied on its main strategic partner, the United States, in arms procurement, for several reasons it has been estimated that this time Lockheed Martin, the F-16 manufacturer, will not win the Croatian tender. First, because this aircraft has not yet started production and there is a queue on the list of customers, so I would get these aircraft in 4 to 5 years at the earliest. The second reason is the price, which would be around 1.5 to 1¸7 billion euros. And the fact that the U.S. blocked the procurement of Israeli Barracks two years ago probably didn’t help his F-16 win the second tender. It was more logical for Croatia to choose Rafale because of the strategic decision to make the purchase within the EU, then because it is a little used aircraft, which the French Air Force has been using for ten years, and because of the price that should be around 900 million euros. A plus for the French is the fact that the Rafale is currently one of the best and most sought after fighter jets in the world, and has been successfully tested in war operations.

The French also stressed that if Croatia chooses Rafale, it would boost co-operation and de facto open the door to a larger door to the newly established European Defense Fund. Zagreb: Statements after Plenković's meeting with hoteliers Davor Ivanković Why did Plenković take 'some more time' to announce which planes Croatia is buying? It could be crucial, however, that France can deliver these aircraft, the first six, during 2024, when the last resources of the MiG 21 HRZ are released, so the continuity of its own surveillance of the sky can be maintained. If the news about Rafal's choice is confirmed, Croatian pilots and technicians will probably be able to go to training in 2022, and a contract should be signed by the end of 2021. Pilot training will take about two years.

Source: https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/hrvatsk ... ale-149404
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Unread post20 May 2021, 17:00

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herciv wrote:The Croatian government has decided to buy 12 used French F3R Rafale fighter jets, Jutarnji list has learned unofficially
well-informed sources.

https://www.jutarnji.hr/vijesti/hrvatsk ... i-15074628

The decision should be made by the Government for Armed Forces Day. It is a twin-engine fighter plane and, as we find out,
the oldest plane that would be delivered to Croatia is 10 years old. According to available information,
Croatia would pay just under a billion euros for the entire package, which includes planes, training and weapons.

At today's session of the Defense Council, support was given to the Government for the purchase of a fighter jet.

President Zoran Milanovic in the Croatia barracks said a little later that the government had not been given a recommendation on what
type of aircraft to buy, but hoped "that he and the prime minister understood each other well".
Asked if he knew which plane we were buying, he replied "No comment".


After the official decision of the Government to accept the French offer, negotiations on the contract follow.

If the contract were signed this year, France would deliver the first six planes in 2024, and the remaining six a year later.
President Milanović, on the other hand, said that planes must be in Croatia by 2024 at the latest.
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Unread post20 May 2021, 17:01

Probably the biggest joke in the history of aviation - a country that has problems to operate MiG-21s is going to buy one of the most expensive jets on the market. :doh: :D
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Unread post20 May 2021, 17:07

shadowhawk wrote:Probably the biggest joke in the history of aviation - a country that has problems to operate MiG-21s is going to buy one of the most expensive jets on the market. :doh: :D


Expensive really ? 900 million euros for 12 rafale + formation + spare + weapon.
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Unread post20 May 2021, 17:16

XanderCrews wrote:
hythelday wrote:Croatian Fighter Jet Saga Continues, Decision Coming Soon?
https://www.total-croatia-news.com/poli ... ighter-jet


Block 70/72 F-16s are actually looking like a great value compared to even used F-16s. interesting


F16 become heavier and heavier with the time. But the wings always are the one studied for F16A...
It is now more a F104 than a F16.
It was a good versatile fighter. Now it's time to retire after a very famous life.
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