F-16 AIM-7 Capability

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Unread post02 Apr 2021, 00:42

Well even tho it's a skosh further aft and smaller in apparent size than the one in the attachment, I can only find that tiny patch on the ADF jets I've looked up in the database and in Melampy's book on the A/B model. So I'm gonna say yeah...that the tuner. We need an ADF SME with hands-on time to verify tho.

But it brings us back around to my original point in that if the USAF C/D jets were meant to shoot the Sparrow they'd have had this tuner installed, and that doesn't seem to be the case since AMRAAM was being phased in anyway, so why spend the money?
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Unread post02 Apr 2021, 02:56

Early AIM-7 testing article.
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Unread post02 Apr 2021, 03:17

Another photo of an Italian ADF
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Unread post02 Apr 2021, 14:12

LinkF16SimDude wrote:Well even tho it's a skosh further aft and smaller in apparent size than the one in the attachment, I can only find that tiny patch on the ADF jets I've looked up in the database and in Melampy's book on the A/B model. So I'm gonna say yeah...that the tuner. We need an ADF SME with hands-on time to verify tho.

But it brings us back around to my original point in that if the USAF C/D jets were meant to shoot the Sparrow they'd have had this tuner installed, and that doesn't seem to be the case since AMRAAM was being phased in anyway, so why spend the money?



Most of the integration money for the CD was paid for by GD primarily for export customers but post 1992 it seemed to be an option on new As and Cs and I was wondering if it was rolled into the general software updates.

I said 2002 but it was 2001 Block 30s that this guy was loading them onto and they had the SMS code however he said they never actually flew with them. Guard F-16s have an AD mission and Sparrow has a bigger warhead so that could be one reason.

The mystery panel appears on these 2014 Block 30+ which tells us not much sadly.

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Unread post02 Apr 2021, 14:23

edpop wrote:Early AIM-7 testing article.



Was interesting to see that the original 1971 requirements for the LWF out of the office Boyd was working for specified it had to be upgradable for all weather capability.

When those tests were happening in 1977 the USAF had already effectively banned Sparrow from the program although AMRAAM was started around that period also.

From that point on the program only seems geared to AMRAAM integration with the first prototype firing from an F-16 happening around 1981 with no mention of Sparrow until the ADF requirement happens around 1986 which is almost treated as a kind of one off.
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Unread post03 Apr 2021, 22:27

Old ad, and don't know if it was posted before on another thread.
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Unread post03 Apr 2021, 23:08

Thanks ADF that is useful.

Looking like the tuning antennas might have been internal does your Brother not remember seeing them?

From that the CW module went behind the pilot seat which was its original intended location - possibly.
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Unread post04 Apr 2021, 02:29

He said he can't remember, and going from ADF's to the other squadron with Block10/30 after 1994.

Here are some ADF pics, that were converted. Take note that the one with "191st" is a B model that has the front IFF slicers, and the port ID light. But not (or at least not yet) the swelled vertical tail. The A model 81-719 is a fully converted ADF.
I also have a "regular" Block 15 Homestead jet from 1988; 81-796 (note the Florida side drawing). (pic is terrible, I was a stupid young kid with a camera)
Some side shots of Ohio Block 42 "C" models too.


Have noticed that seems like an area to draw pictures on these jets, :o

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Unread post04 Apr 2021, 13:44

f-16adf wrote: Take note that the one with "191st" is a B model that has the front IFF slicers, and the port ID light. But not (or at least not yet) the swelled vertical tail.

None of the Blk 15 "B" models that were converted to the ADF received the HF Radio, hence no bump on the vertical tail.
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Unread post04 Apr 2021, 14:22

f-16adf wrote:He said he can't remember, and going from ADF's to the other squadron with Block10/30 after 1994.



Thanks ADF

The guy on the Block 30s was very certain they could be used and going by that graphic which does not denote the tuners as AB specific then probably they may have needed to be tuned also.
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Unread post04 Apr 2021, 14:25

Thanks Magnum you are right. I found his incentive ride photo and there is no swelled tail in the ADF B model.





Basher, there are some nice detailed photos of that rear area in Jake Melapmy's The Modern Viper Guide 2nd Edition C/D exposed on pgs. 150-157. The old Detail & Scale F-16 Book by Bert Kinzey also has photos of that area.
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Unread post05 Apr 2021, 00:29

I can't see anything in particular there.

The Iraqi Block 52+ definitely carry and use AIM-7 but the area looks the same.

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Unread post05 Apr 2021, 07:56

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