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To answer "speak the truth," Naval Lynx carries Sea Skua ASM but they were never going to be given permission to use them. Authorization for attack on Iranian forces would only ever come directly from Whitehall, after some swift satellite calls. Also read that the covering Lynx was satisfied that the freighter posed no threat whilst flying top cover for the boarding party, so headed back to the ship. Why nobody saw the Iranians coming I don`t know, they could easily cover their movements using the local geography, narrow waterways, maybe...Having said that, what about the right to defend yourself?

The local commander, HMS Cornwall Captain/Commander would decide whether military action was needed if the SHIP had come under threat. Probably why the Iranians never went anywhere near it. The ROEs are carefully written, if they are aggressive, it would almost certainly become a shooting war. Are we all ready for that?

They are far from stupid and are playing a smart game. As for the SAS going in, can`t see that happening at all unless the captives are housed right on the border with Iraq, which they aren`t! Nobody is going in to "extract" them, the odds against are MASSIVE, just ask the US about the Tehran hostage debacle. A tough mission with a tragic ending.

Looks like a tit-for-tat move, you release ours and we release yours, maybe go easy on sanctions, maybe let us develop atomic weapons. I say give them the bird and don`t cave in, the service people know and accept the risks and we can`t let them blackmail us.

I know we can`t let them get away with it again, that`s for sure.

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>Since when does the mayor of any city or town request a foreign government to open a >consular office (of all things) in his/her city/town? Consular offices are divisions of State >Departments or Foreign Ministries and do NOT fall under a mayor's jurisdiction. If every >mayor did what is claimed, you'd never know what foreigners are comin' or goin'.

Since the mayor of the town in question is a Kurd in Iraqi Kurdistan and he had permission from the Kurdish ruling party..
Since 1992 the Kurds has been signing treaties and contracts without informing much less asking for approval from Baghdad.

>Son...why are you makin' excuses for an action that in times past would be considered an >overt act of war?
Invading a consulate is an act of war as well.

>Reagan (our last president with any real cajones) would NEVER have let >this go >unanswered.
No, he just sold them TOW's and spare parts to fund a war in central America and to get back hostages taken in Lebanon.

Btw does anyone realize that the shat Al Arab border has never been finalized?
Saddam agreed to the 1975 border after 91, but Iran never signed the treaty.
Now that Saddam is dead, the current Iraqi government has stated that none of the treaties and contracts signed by him apply to the current government.
No treaty, no border.

So the map that the Royal navy displayed may not be a "legal" map.

hmm.
Btw what is the definition of a western city?
Geographically, Tel aviv and Perth not western cities.

Not to be an a$$ about it.
Just trying to look at this from both sides.
The present in this area is haunted by our past mistakes, and our children and theirs will be haunted by the mistakes we make today.

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To answer "speak the truth," Naval Lynx carries Sea Skua ASM but they were never going to be given permission to use them. Authorization for attack on Iranian forces would only ever come directly from Whitehall, after some swift satellite calls.

They wouldn't have used Sea Skua anyway, the point I said earlier about the Lynx causing havok with the Iraqi navy was more of a reference to its extreme speed and agility, in that small and fast gunboats wouldn't be a problem for it. If the Lynx were to engage the Iranian gunboats it would have used the ground support machine gun attached to the side to scare them off. Generally on those ops thats the armanment it has as fire support. But you're right, they weren't authorised to do this, if they were the Lynx would have got to them in time even if they were well into Iranian waters, but at this satge it could have been risking the lives of the RN sailors.

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They are far from stupid and are playing a smart game. As for the SAS going in, can`t see that happening at all unless the captives are housed right on the border with Iraq, which they aren`t! Nobody is going in to "extract" them, the odds against are MASSIVE, just ask the US about the Tehran hostage debacle. A tough mission with a tragic ending.

Oh I totally agree, but what I said is that they have probably got SAS/SBS units undercover in Iran as we speak for intelligence purposes. Like I said in an earlier post I think the solution here will be diplomatic, Iran will eventually release them as diplomatic pressure is stepped up.

Link - Roger That my man, Roger That

As I like to say, Life, Liberty,And the Pursuit of Anyone who threatens either.... I'm so glad to see that I'm not the only one who is both sick, and tired of hearing about all these radical,islamabots that think they can just act as they damn well please and say It Is because Allah or whoever said it is the thing to do.. hell and be damn with the whole lot of them, If they want Jihad, I say we deliver some old fashioned fire and brimstone, and rain down on their A$$E$ till the have the honor of meeting their beloved, peace loving Allah....

Roger that...Tally on these bandits....time to stop talking and start acting strongly "against these crazy SOB that want us all dead".

Time to wake up world! A new type of evil just as bad, if not worse then Hitler and the Nazi Party is making themselves known to us all, time to really "pay attention" to it and them.

Since 1979 this has been a rouge national ruled by crazy, so called religious fanatics, if you don't think or agree with them, they want you dead (simple process for them). It does not matter if you a man, woman or child, all they care about is total dedication to being insane (their religious control).

It is the same type of terrorist evil (and crazy SOB's) that killed our citizens during 911 attack in New York.....it is time to crush evil, I can think of no better place to start then Iran, Iraq, Syria and a few more...maybe it is time to make them glow. I mean it, I am sick of them all - I 'd love to give them something to really bitch about, then we might really be the evil they swear we are.

They thumb their noses and whatever else (they can muster up) to the world in general, build nuclear weapons (which we all know will be used for evil purposes, as they have displayed for decades).

Kidnap people, as we have seen with the Brit Sailors during these past two weeks. Then "fund and arm" terrorist organizations against US lead Coalition forces in Iraq. They want to wipe out Israel (and they have stated so numerous times).

These people (government) are the scum of the earth in my book. I think it is time to exterminate them before they do it to us - there is no taking to this evil, just the elimination of it as they swear is their plight against the US right now.

So why is it that they do not abandon their support for terrorism and play a constructive role in the Middle East?

More importantly, why do they not suspend their nuclear activities, even for a short period, despite all of the incentives offered to them?

This inflexibility appears inexplicable in light of the consequences for Iran, including tougher sanctions, further isolation, and ultimately a potential military confrontation with the West.

Logic suggests that any step back in their oppressive policies at home and confrontational policies abroad would have even graver consequences.

The Iranians have in an ironic way learned lessons from the last years of the Shah’s rule. Following his election in 1977, US President Jimmy Carter called on the Shah to respect human rights and allow freedom of assembly. In response, the Shah reigned in his security forces who until then had been given carte blanche to arrest, imprison, torture and even execute dissidents, as a means of controlling the populace.

The consequences were immediate. The slight relaxation in the level of oppression was the crack the Iranian people needed to secure their revolution.

The Shah oppressed the Iranian people through the imprisonment of a few thousand dissidents and the execution of a few hundred. In contrast, the mullahs have imprisoned hundreds of thousands of dissidents and executed more than 120,000. This illustrates the level of discontent.

According to the regime’s own surveys, more than 94 per cent oppose the entirety of their regime and there were more than 4,000 anti-regime protests and demonstration during 2006.

The EU still believes it can convince Iran to desist from its present course. In this state of delusion, the EU "engaged" with Iran over its nuclear program's, buying the regime five years to advance their program's after the main opposition coalition, National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), blew the whistle on Iran’s 18-years of deceit.

The West also handed Iraq to the Iranian regime on a plate, initially turning a blind eye to the thousands of Revolutionary Guards and mullahs who spilled across the border in the immediate aftermath of the war in Iraq. Since then, Iran has managed to dominate the country by funding and arming Shi'ite militia responsible for widespread bloodshed across Iraq, including attacks on British troops.

However, in June 2006, 5.2 million Iraqis signed a statement declaring, "Iran's rulers want to dominate this part of the world and have turned Iraq into a hunting ground and the front line of their war with the international community in a bid to curb the struggle for democracy against dictatorship in this country before it reaches Iran."

Last month, Iran’s main opposition and the largest member organization of the NCRI, the People’s Mojahedin Organization of Iran (PMOI), revealed details of 32,000 Iraqis, including government officials and members of the security services, who were on the payroll of Tehran. These individuals included officials of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, an Iranian formed and financially supported Iraqi group.

Interestingly, the 5.2 million Iraqis added, "The solution and the only encouraging prospect for neutralising these threats come through eviction of the Iranian regime from Iraq and recognition of the status of the PMOI, which is the principal bulwark against the Iranian regime’s interventions."

Yet, in an act of appeasement not seen since the Munich Agreement with Hitler’s Germany, the West proscribed the PMOI at the behest of Tehran. The EU even promised, in 2004, that if Iran complied with the West’s nuclear demands, it would "continue to regard the PMOI as a terrorist organisation". This was the greatest gift to the mullahs and denies the Iranian Resistance the recognition it demands and deserves.

On December 12, 2006, the European Court of Justice handed down a landmark judgment which annulled a decision by the EU in 2002 to proscribe the PMOI and freeze its funds. Declaring the actions of the EU unlawful, the ECJ stated that the PMOI’s rights to a fair hearing and effective judicial protection were infringed.

Yet, despite all of the threats posed by the Iranian regime, the Foreign Office, hell bent on appeasement, has shamefully persuaded the EU to defy the ruling of the ECJ, infuriating Parliamentarians across Europe.

As the dust settles from Mr Ahmadinejad’s empty mouthings, the signs of defeat are becoming clearer for him and his fellow Revolutionary Guards commanders. On the nuclear front, the UN Security Council has applied sanctions, which will only toughen as Iran refuses to comply with UN demands. In Iraq, the US and Britain are finally confronting the Iranian regime by targeting its agents responsible for the supply of money and arms to Shi'ite militia.

But will this be enough? I think not, talk does not work, a swift kick in the a$$ or a bullet in the face will. However, as long as these people allow their leaders to get them into trouble (as they appear to love to do) this nonsense will continue until the world is at war officially - then their evil be officially spill all over the planet sadly..

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15 Royal Navy personnel seized. What next for Iran?