Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

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You are very mis informed. Our pilots called the COPE pilots as good as ours, after they put on a show for us. Dont say that please.

Well you know, if our pilots called them terrible that would look really bad from a political standpoint :p Exercises like COPE are intended to strengthen foreign relations right? So I doubt you'd want to goto another country and start trashing the way they run things. Rolling Eyes

Also, on Gen. Jumpers comment on the opening day of the F-22 stuff... That would also serve political interest if in his speech he created the precedented need for a fighter air craft of the F-22s capability. One of the biggest opponents of the F-22 program right now is if it is really neccessary to have a fighter of the F-22's capability when the F-15 and F-16 have worked so well thus far.

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Plus, this thread was never about the 22's pilot, or their skill.

Why not? its suddenly become about everything else!

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All I said is that majority of the Su bashing on this forum is almost all baseless.

Actually, earlier in the thread you were trying to question the capability of the F-22 as well. :p

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ACSheva wrote:

TC, how much are you paying them? Just wondering,bro.

"Catching up to our current fleet, is very different from "outclassing" our current fleet TC. He never said "cathing up" TC. Dont change his words. You can read the article. Try to be honest.

ACSheva

TC, Shev raises a good point - we never discussed payment LMAO

! Let's see here, I think I have just about every Buffett CD, so we'll have to discuss possible payment in rum, tequila, or Jeremiah Weed Razz

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Shev, in all honesty, he ain't payin' us a darn thing except for sharing his knowledge and insight. Take a look at the joined date of each of the posters you mention. Do you notice anything? We've all been around here for a while. We know each other and we've earned each others' trust Smile

. The most any of us ever pay each other is a complement Wink

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I thought this thread was supposed to be about the F-22's maneuverability, not how well it would do against Russian jets or how good those jets are. There are other threads for those topics. As for TC, well, he's earned my trust over time. Click on the profile button under one of his posts, and then click on "find all posts" in the profile and try reading them. Then read them in context. Maybe if you had a longer history of dealing with him, you'd have a different opinion.

As far as TC misquoting Gen. Jumper, please give me a break! You're splitting hairs here and you appear to be trying to find fault with the man and it just doesn't sit well with me here.

Thank you parrothead.

Payoffs? You wanna see my house sometime Shev? Rolling Eyes

Jeez....What will some people stoop to?

I think you lost this argument. Get over it, or get lost.

I've officially had it with this thread.

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Thank you parrothead.

TC, no problem at all Very Happy

! I never have a problem speaking the truth Smile

. I consider it my duty on this site.

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Payoffs? You wanna see my house sometime Shev? Rolling Eyes

Jeez....What will some people stoop to?

Sounds like we share a similar standard of living LMAO

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I think you lost this argument. Get over it, or get lost.

I've officially had it with this thread.

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I couldn't agree more - I've had it, too. I really hate to have to say that, but it's true here. I might continue to watch this thread, if it returns to the topic stated in the title.

On Topic

As long as the info ain't too sensitive, could someone answer a question about the thrust vectoring exhaust for me? I know the thrust vectoring nozzles are used to increase pitch response as well as control at low speeds and high alpha, but do they help at all with control about the roll axis? It shouldn't be too hard to program them for differential actuation, but do they actually perform in that capacity? Like I said, no discussion of classified information please Wink

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I think you lost this argument. Get over it, or get lost.

Who are you here TC, the boss?What argument? You havent provided ANY facts to support youre secret claims, have you? Not a single one. Just changing the subject all of the time. Same thing for the past 5 posts. Atleast some folks here try to provide the facts, you dont have the clearance to.

Lets go home now...

ACSheva

If we'd like to speak of 'facts', since the Sukhoi has been brought into this, what facts do you have? No, I don't mean 'out of a book', or 'I heard that...', or 'I saw it on a website', or even 'the manufacturer claims', real facts from people who fly them, people who design them, people that work them every day. Those are the only people that can supply facts - Hmm, sounds like the people here on this board...

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"All of the professionals here know things that they can't talk about (Go ahead, ask Gums about nukes...) but I know who I can trust when someone says that something 'is' rather than their opinion. Remember, this is these people's life, not a hobby."

Any Sukhoi Tech's out there? Pilots? Sure is quiet here...

Mike

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Atleast some folks here try to provide the facts, you dont have the clearance to.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't believe anyone here has the clearance and authority to declare information as no longer classified.

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You havent provided ANY facts to support youre secret claims, have you?

See that word secret? I just wanted to be sure, because you don't seem to get the point. TC is considered by many of us on the site to be a reliable and trustworthy source - the kind of person that Jane's might go to for info. He doesn't need the books because he could probably write them.

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If we'd like to speak of 'facts', since the Sukhoi has been brought into this, what facts do you have? No, I don't mean 'out of a book', or 'I heard that...', or 'I saw it on a website', or even 'the manufacturer claims', real facts from people who fly them, people who design them, people that work them every day. Those are the only people that can supply facts - Hmm, sounds like the people here on this board...

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! Shev, I'm going to start using your own criteria when evaluating your statements. I expect all of your posts from now on to be backed up by reliable facts, preferably personal experience with the topic being discussed. You sure seem to know a lot of stuff to be "fact" with regards to the SU, but how many have you been in, around, or even seen fly first hand? Something tells me that TC might have a bit more first hand info on both the Raptor and the Viper than you have with the MiGs and SUs, but that's just me speculatin' Wink

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Mike and parrothead get it here. Parrothead would know this out of common sense, but Mike and I would know first-hand that if we started spouting off a bunch of information we know, then our next mailing address would most likely be Ft. Leavenworth, Kansas.

Whaddya say Mike? Up for it? We could be join the prison bowling team! Laughing

At best, I'd only lose my job, my security clearance, and pi$$ away any chance I'd ever have for being employed by the government ever again.

My job entails data compilation and entry, in support of LM on a Raptor base, and as such I see a lot of information that can't be spread around, especially to a mostly nameless, faceless group on an internet chatroom. I can talk to people who have a need to know, but that, as the song says, is "When We Get Behind Closed Doors..."

Alright. I said what my job is. I hope this will satisfy everyone.

I'm not some super-secret agent or spy. I don't drive flashy sports cars that "Q" built for me. I don't carry a Walther PPK. I don't get the ladies with my sexy British accent. My only "code name" or callsign is exactly what I go by on this website (although I have been called worse from time to time) Wink

I'm merely a government clerk with an interesting job for a college student. Cool

"Maverick, I have a security clearance. The Pentagon sees to it that I know more than you."

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Hey parrothead where do I fit in? I have wrenched Vipers for my entire career and have crawled around on a few Migs also. In fact pulled a couple of panels and changed a tire or two on a 29 and a 21. AC have you ever done anything close?

Sorry, Erik Embarassed

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Whaddya say Mike? Up for it? We could be join the prison bowling team!

I don't know, TC. I've heard so many good things about the big PCS to Kansas... (...and it's so nice there this time of year...) Actually I could look up an old Flight Chief that did some bad things, but that's a completely different story...

Mike (We're not in Kansas anymore) Kopack

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I'm merely a government clerk with an interesting job for a college student

Didnt you say that you are some high tech guy at Tyndall AFB, before.Working on the F 22???? Rolling Eyes

again more excuses, with some good movie lines, you are getting better thought TC Very Happy

Peace

ACSheva

ACSheva wrote:

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I'm merely a government clerk with an interesting job for a college student

Didnt you say that you are some high tech guy at Tyndall AFB, before.Working on the F 22???? Rolling Eyes

again more excuses, with some good movie lines, you are getting better thought TC Very Happy

Peace

ACSheva

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My job entails data compilation and entry, in support of LM on a Raptor base

Shev, the fact that you're here and posting leads me to believe that you can read, but the fact that you didn't catch the fact that TC deals with classified testing and evaluation data about the Raptor on a daily basis leads me to question the grade level you read at. Please read closer and try to comprehend what you've read before responding next time.

Parrothead,

I can read that tc is some F 22 data man.Im not dumb,bro. Its just that before he has said that he is some tech guy at the Tyndall base. Now he is something else, get it? His story is always different, and the facts are never brought up. Anyways this thread got alof life. How can you be so sure of him? Making all of these "super secret" claims? You cant, right? Look it took him 4-6 posts just to say his job name. When he could of said it the first time, that his "secret" stuff was brought into quistion. Dont you think?Instead of getting some other guys on this site to post "kind" words for him.

Done here..

ACSheva

ACSheva, what exactly is your job? This isn't high school so there is no need for the smart@ss or class clown. If you have FACTS that could be useful to this forum, by all means share them. That is, if they're unclassified. Guys like TC, Mike, Erik, Tankrat, and Parrothead have shown themselves to knowledgeable and humble. I'm not sure if you're in the military, but these things go a long way. So far you have proven nothing but your ignorance.

As for me.....I'd rather you just go away. We've wasted at least three whole pages with YOUR bickering on what I consider a really interesting topic. Let's get back on topic!

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