Forum: Air Force Life

Fetz, I believe that he is implying that you're not in a uniformed branch of the military service. I don't know if you are or not and that really isn't important to me.

The bottom line is that as an NCO in the USAF, she represents the United States Military on duty and off. Just because she goes home at night and takes the uniform off does not mean that the core values disappear until she puts the uniform back on. The fact that she was a drill instructor makes this even worse.

Being an NCO in a uniformed branch of the military service is a way of life. The rules that we follow and standards that we live by don't go away at 1630 when the duty day is over.

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Ok, thanks.

Again, can someone tell me what rule she broke? Or is the it just "core values" what value did she not stand up to?

I still think no value can be broken just by taking a nude photo.

Fezt.

You are entiltled to that right as we are entitled to our opinion.

She compromised her position as a Military Training Instructor by posing for Playboy. Those pictures were certainly available to USAF recruits and would certainly result in a lack of respect, which effectively destroys her authority as an MTI. She surely must have known that when she posed.

If you are looking for a rule that was broken, one that comes to mind immediately is that USAF members generally must seek their Commander's permission before accepting outside employment, probably to avoid exactly the situation that she ended up in. Do you think any Commander would have signed off on her "part time job"?

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fezt wrote:

I still think no value can be broken just by taking a nude photo.

"Service Before Self" - AF Core Value #2

Technically you could light her up for Core Value #3 as well:

"Excellence in all we do" --- I saw the pictorial. It wasn't "excellent". Laughing

I flipped right through it, and went on to the Playmate of the Month.

I was trying to think of that same rule Joe, but thanks for bringing it up. You DO need your C/C's permission for outside employment.

Another point here, and I think I covered this one on the other thread, is that when you raise your right hand, and sign the dotted line, you become government property. You no longer have very much control over what you can do...and if the government says they don't want you posing for sexually provacative pictures, then you'd better not do it.

Again, if adult modeling is in your future, best to wait until you are out of the AF.

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 25, 2003 - 10:03 PM Posts: 679

My buddy had her for a few classes when he was in basic.

shiz302 wrote:

My buddy had her for a few classes when he was in basic.

Figuratively speaking, I assume.... Wink

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I don't agree with you or with Meathook. Regular military militant logic: it's OK to kill a human body, but not to show one....

That makes sense only after too many years in the military

That's a wrongheaded comparison, in that the military's job is to do the former, not the latter. If the job of the military was to kill people, break stuff and get paid for taking nudie pictures, then I have no argument. However, that isn't what her job was in the Air Force, and again let me point out that had her "spread" been done for playboy without making the Air Force a huge part of it, then I really don't think anybody would have said that much. What she did was to exploit her position in the Air Force to create enough controversy to justify a layout in Playboy, period, end of story. She never would have been included in the magazine on her own "merits" without the surronding drama of being an Air Force DI. That breals Rule #1, which is try your best not to make your employer look bad. Plenty of jobs out there where you can get paid to show off your tits....the USAF just ain't one of 'em, and now she gets the chance to pursue whatever other career options she was seeking in the first place. Seems win-win to me.

Looking for the rule that was violated - - well I'd dare say it was:

ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE

PAY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO SUB-PARAGRAPH b3

Manual for Court Martial page IV-111 Paragraph 88. Article 134—(Indecent exposure)

a. Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, ll conduct of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.

b. Elements.
(1) That the accused exposed a certain part of the
a c c u s e d ’ s b o d y t o p u b l i c v i e w i n a n i n d e c e n t
manner;
(2) That the exposure was willful and wrongful;
and
(3) That, under the circumstances, the accused’s
conduct was to the prejudice of good order and
discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to
bring discredit upon the armed forces.
c. Explanation. “Willful” means an intentional exposure
to public view. Negligent indecent exposure
is not punishable as a violation of the code. See
paragraph 90c concerning “indecent.”
d. Lesser included offense. Article 80—attempts
e . M a x i m u m p u n i s h m e n t . B a d - c o n d u c t d i s c h a r g e ,
forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement
for 6 months.

Mentioned above to see paragraph 90c for defination of indecent

c. Explanation. “Indecent” signifies that form of immorality
relating to sexual impurity which is not
only grossly vulgar, obscene, and repugnant to common
propriety, but tends to excite lust and deprave
the morals with respect to sexual relations.

ok, to clarify "common propriety"

Main Entry: propriety
Part of Speech: noun 2
Definition: manners
Synonyms: accepted conduct, amenities, breeding, civilities, correctness, courtesy, decency, decorum, delicacy, dignity, etiquette, good behavior, good form, manners, modesty, mores*, niceties, politeness, politesse, protocol, punctilio, rectitude, refinement, respectability, seemliness, social conventions, social grace
Antonyms: indecorum
Source: Roget's New Millennium™ Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.3.1)
Copyright © 2007 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Yes, sad to say that I actually have a copy of the Manual for Court Martial... unfortuantely I've had a hand in sending a few to the pokey. Camp LeJeune Marine brig is nice when you're just a visitor!

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 25, 2003 - 10:03 PM Posts: 679

habu2 wrote:

shiz302 wrote:

My buddy had her for a few classes when he was in basic.

Figuratively speaking, I assume.... Wink

Hahha, yeah. He said she hot ( no sh*t ) and certainly wasn't hurtin for money as she was drivin a Mercedes.

shiz302 wrote:

habu2 wrote:

shiz302 wrote:

My buddy had her for a few classes when he was in basic.

Figuratively speaking, I assume.... Wink

Hahha, yeah. He said she hot ( no sh*t ) and certainly wasn't hurtin for money as she was drivin a Mercedes.

shoot, i know a sh*t ton of folks in the military driving benz's and BMW's. Doesn't mean they can afford it Smile

Forum Veteran Joined: Dec 25, 2003 - 10:03 PM Posts: 679

Very true, a bunch of my friends went to Sheppard and bought a car right off base. That place was such a scam.

Forum: Air Force Life

Drill Sgt who posed for Playboy removed from active duty