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pakistan should not look to usa or any other country for f-16 bcoz there is no assurity that paf will get spAres for it paf will having a new plane JF-17 Thunder which is almost as capable as f-16 plus j11 is under consideration as well

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The JF-17 was meant to replace the PAF's F-16 aswell, its a modified FC-1 which will more superior then the F-16, but the PAF needs F-16s as stop-gap measure's before the JF-17s comes.....

please guys the su30mki is far superiour to the f-16 variants the PAF have ( f-16 A/B ) , they will need the latest versions to even give a decent fight to the su30mki

deba .

Yeah, but please the F-16 is superior to the MIG-29, Mirage 2000, so please right now we are worried on what the F-16 can counter in its class, you people bring in "The SU-30 is better then the F-16"...ok I think we all know that...so please don't say "SU-30 better then this or that" on this thread...Pakistan is trying to Get SU-30s, and F-16s at the same time...the SU-30 ain't that expensive...so don't treat it like the F-22 or Rafale...thank you.

Bjorn, maybe you should open a "Pakistan - Indian Air Forces" forum! I'm sure it will be a great success Laughing

good idea

Deepspace,

I definitely agree with you, but I have some strange feeling in my belly that it wouldn't be such a good idea either.

We are trying the best we can to make this website the most complete one about the F-16 available on the internet. This mean's we can use some help on finding information to integrate it with the site and this is why this forum exist. In the second place it exist's to inform other people who have a question about the F-16.

Last but not least, this also mean's that this forum is not intended to be used as a place for fighting the Pakistan-India war, nore that it can be used to attack each other in an offensive way.

Because this item has already been the "hottest" one around, I don't think a specific forum would be appropriate.

By this way I would like to ask everybody to stay on topic, don't offend each other, don't laugh with another who maybe asks a question with the answer already known to the F-16 community but not by him, and so on. Just try to make a possitive contribution to this site so we can make it better.

We don't like it but if it get's too rough we will not hesitate to delete posts or even block a users account and declare him persona non grata on this site.

Greets,

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Bjorn wrote:

Deepspace,
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Last but not least, this also mean's that this forum is not intended to be used as a place for fighting the Pakistan-India war, nore that it can be used to attack each other in an offensive way.

Because this item has already been the "hottest" one around, I don't think a specific forum would be appropriate.

By this way I would like to ask everybody to stay on topic, don't offend each other, don't laugh with another who maybe asks a question with the answer already known to the F-16 community but not by him, and so on. Just try to make a possitive contribution to this site so we can make it better.

We don't like it but if it get's too rough we will not hesitate to delete posts or even block a users account and declare him persona non grata on this site.

Greets,

I'm totaly agree with you. These topic has became really off topic, and became kind of personal. I'm also think that it will be better if all the "guests" will register. Hey, it's FREE Wink

. And one more thing: It will be easier to me (and I think to some other users) if we all say: "Indian AF" or "Israeli AF", rather than IAF.

Anonymous wrote:

A comparison: PAF vs IAF: MiG-21 vs F-7 , Mirage-2000 vs F-16 , MiG-23 vs Mirage III, Jaguar vs Mirage V , MiG-27 vs A-5 Hell we still got MiG-29 Fulcrum and Su-30MkI Flanker to kick whatever is left of the PAF after combat. PAF vs IAF is like Australia vs Bangladesh in cricket

Russian audit teams to check accident-prone Indian fighter planes
(DPA)

24 August 2003

NEW DELHI - A team of Russian technical experts will arrive in India this month to check the accident-prone MiG-21 fighter planes - the mainstay of the Indian Air Force (IAF) - it was reported on Sunday.

In India, the MiG-21 is often called the “flying coffin” because of its dismal safety record. More than 110 MiG-21s have crashed in the last decade, according to the IAF.

An IAF inquiry following two crashes last year severely indicted Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the Indian public sector company licensed to indigenously manufacture MiGs and maintain the fleet.

IAF said its findings “shook our confidence in quality control at HAL”, the Indian Express newspaper reported. It told HAL “a lot needs to be done to improve its environment and technical [Link pending approval] on a war footing to improve deficiency areas”.

In April, Russia sent a team from original manufacturers RAC-MiG to inspect HAL sites, which found contaminated fuel systems and violations of design parameters among other problems, the report said.

The MiG-21 was designed 40 years ago in the Soviet Union. The IAF uses 700 such aircraft, accounting for 70 per cent of a fighter pilot’s flying time.

Russian audit teams will now be posted at various HAL sites to ensure quality control in engine repair and overhaul.

Kavita Gadgil, who lost her son in a MiG-21 crash, is spearheading a campaign against the use of these aircraft and has been joined by more than 100 families bereaved by MiG accidents. The group wants greater transparency and accountability in defence matters and wants the mandatory crash reports to be made public.

The IAF has concluded that reasons for the frequent crashes include pilot error (40 per cent of cases), technical snags or external factors, like hitting a bird, (20 per cent).

But repeated allegations have pointed to poor maintenance of an obsolete fleet, inadequate pilot training and poor quality spare parts from eastern Europe.

If the pakistanis ever encounter an indian mig-21 the best thing to destroy it will be to let it fly for sometime and it will crash. Very Happy

Topic Closed

Given the numerous times that we had to intervene on this particular topic, we decided to close it down.

We had to erase numerous posts of an offensive nature, or posts that could be interpreted as offensive and downgrading to some nationalities or people on this forum.

As this topic has run its length and doesn't really contribute any more to the site, we've decided to put it to a stop. New topics about Pakistani F-16s are encouraged but will be closely monitored.

Stefaan, Lieven, Bjorn

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