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I'm pretty sure that I've voiced my oppinion on here before about this, but since it was in a different thread, I am going to do it again:

I do think the US should sell to some of our allies. I do think that this should be a less technological version, though. I don't think that there would be any reason not to allow them, say, some of the current Viper tech with the 22. By this, I mean the current modems and such. Obviously, the US shouldn't give its best technology away.

To add to this, though, I don't think that we should sell it for at least several years. Maybe look into it in the final production year for ours...

It is truly just a matter of time before we are forced to try to sell this jet to other countries, though. If we don't, we lose too many potential buyers from this particular market. And, no, the F-35 is not the same market, no matter what you may think. They have totally different aspects that would keep them from being able to perform anywhere near the same missions with the same abilities. On top of this, we are planning/willing to export the F-35 which will contain quite a bit more advanced tech than what is currently in the F-22, at least in certain aspects. (This info was from a couple of Lockheed engineers, and without too much detail, so I won't go into it any further.)

I think that the potential gain on this is just going to be too much for the US to pass up in the coming years. I don't know that Japan/Australia would have too much of a problem if we imposed some stipulations on the sales...

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What would be the $$ cost of developing a 'dumbed down' version of the Raptor to any real extent? As it is, we've put a lot of dollars into the development of the 'domestic' aircraft and if we wanted potential customers to finance the further (backward) development many may just say - Is it worth it?

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Like I stated earlier too...top shelf stays in house in my book, many of us..agree to disagree, I still feel we are too 'free" with our knowledge, some things yes, critical technology No (despite what many engineers say). Every-time we share we weaken (within reason ) our own capabilities..that's my two cents.

I'd share when it is to my advantage (that of the USA only) in my book...there you have my thoughts too.

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NHK (Japan's government-owned news coporation) posted on their news site today:

次期戦闘機 候補は6機種に

政府は、次期主力戦闘機FXとして、平成21年度までに新しい戦闘機7機を整備する方針を決め、外国の機種からの選定を進めています。アメリカ政府の複数の当局者によりますと、先月までに日本政府から候補機を欧米の6つの機種に絞ったと連絡があり、このうちアメリカ製の4機種について性能などを問う質問書が国防当局に送られてきたということです。4つの機種は、F22Aラプターと、FA18スーパーホーネット、F15の改良型に加え、米英両国などが共同開発しているF35です。このうちF22Aは、アメリカの最新鋭機で、防衛庁内に待望論が出ていますが、アメリカの議会は軍事機密にあたるとして外国への輸出を承認していません。アメリカ政府の当局者は、北朝鮮の核実験などを受けて地域の安定への懸念が強まるなか、日米が連携を図るうえでFXにはアメリカ機がふさわしいと強調しており、F22Aについても日本側の要請が強まれば対日輸出の許可をあらためて議会に求めることになるという見通しを明らかにしました。FXの候補機が絞り込まれたことを受けて、日本政府は今年度中に調査員をアメリカなどに派遣することにしており、選定作業が本格化しています。

10月23日 6時10分


My grasp of japanese is pretty basic, but from what I can read it seems that they still have their fighter choices narrowed down to 6 aircraft (F-15X, F-22, F-35, F/A-18, and "two european aircraft"), and they will be sending an official to the USA and other competing countries by the end of the year to make a decision. There is something in there too about the F-22 and North Korea's recent nuclear tests, and asking for permission from the USA about something if the request for the F-22 becomes strong, but I can't put it all together. Can someone help me out here please?
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Nope...looks like a bunch of chicken scratch to me - sorry - cool language if you can write or read it.

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Well, I used a language translator. If anyone can rearrange this, fell free to do so.
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As for FX candidacy in 6 types Government decides the policy of servicing fighter plane 7 it is new by 2009 as a next term leading fighter plane FX, is advancing the selection from the type of foreign country. According to the group of authorities people of the American government, that to last month the candidacy machine was squeezed to six types of Europe and America from the Japanese government, there was communication, it means that the questionnaire which questions efficiency and the like concerning 4 types of America make among these was sent to the national defense authorities. Four types are F35 which American both countries and the like develop jointly F22A ラプター and the FA18 super hornet, in addition to the improved of F15. Among F22A these, with the latest and most powerful machine of America, long-awaited theory has emerged into Defense Agency, but the American national assembly assuming that it hits to military secret, has not approved the export to the foreign country. The authorities person of the American government, receiving the North Korean nuclear test, and the like while anxiety to stability of area strengthens, when Japan and America assure cooperation, has emphasized, that the American machine is suitable in FX, if request of the Japanese side strengthens concerning F22A it made the prospect that clear it means freshly to seek permission of toward Japan export from the national assembly. Accepting the fact that the candidacy machine of FX is squeezed, the Japanese government has done to the thing which dispatches the investigator to America and the like during this year, selection job has materialized. October 23rd 6:10
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Sales to Japan were nixed in the multi-year procurement.

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Japan will NOT buy Russian aircraft. Theyre logistics and systems arent made for it.


The main reason is political - Russia still holds some Japanese islands captured at the end of WW2


More than that they have not signed a peace treaty.
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zeroyon04 wrote:
NHK (Japan's government-owned news coporation) posted on their news site today:

次期戦闘機 候補は6機種に

政府は、次期主力戦闘機FXとして、平成21年度までに新しい戦闘機7機を整備する方針を決め、外国の機種からの選定を進めています。アメリカ政府の複数の当局者によりますと、先月までに日本政府から候補機を欧米の6つの機種に絞ったと連絡があり、このうちアメリカ製の4機種について性能などを問う質問書が国防当局に送られてきたということです。4つの機種は、F22Aラプターと、FA18スーパーホーネット、F15の改良型に加え、米英両国などが共同開発しているF35です。このうちF22Aは、アメリカの最新鋭機で、防衛庁内に待望論が出ていますが、アメリカの議会は軍事機密にあたるとして外国への輸出を承認していません。アメリカ政府の当局者は、北朝鮮の核実験などを受けて地域の安定への懸念が強まるなか、日米が連携を図るうえでFXにはアメリカ機がふさわしいと強調しており、F22Aについても日本側の要請が強まれば対日輸出の許可をあらためて議会に求めることになるという見通しを明らかにしました。FXの候補機が絞り込まれたことを受けて、日本政府は今年度中に調査員をアメリカなどに派遣することにしており、選定作業が本格化しています。

10月23日 6時10分


My grasp of japanese is pretty basic, but from what I can read it seems that they still have their fighter choices narrowed down to 6 aircraft (F-15X, F-22, F-35, F/A-18, and "two european aircraft"), and they will be sending an official to the USA and other competing countries by the end of the year to make a decision. There is something in there too about the F-22 and North Korea's recent nuclear tests, and asking for permission from the USA about something if the request for the F-22 becomes strong, but I can't put it all together. Can someone help me out here please?


The last sentence shows that they are actively asking for information on the F-22 because the ban on F-22 FMS was overturned after the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea set off their flashbulb.

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Well, I used a language translator. If anyone can rearrange this, fell free to do so.
Very Happy

As for FX candidacy in 6 types Government decides the policy of servicing fighter plane 7 it is new by 2009 as a next term leading fighter plane FX, is advancing the selection from the type of foreign country. According to the group of authorities people of the American government, that to last month the candidacy machine was squeezed to six types of Europe and America from the Japanese government, there was communication, it means that the questionnaire which questions efficiency and the like concerning 4 types of America make among these was sent to the national defense authorities. Four types are F35 which American both countries and the like develop jointly F22A ラプター and the FA18 super hornet, in addition to the improved of F15. Among F22A these, with the latest and most powerful machine of America, long-awaited theory has emerged into Defense Agency, but the American national assembly assuming that it hits to military secret, has not approved the export to the foreign country. The authorities person of the American government, receiving the North Korean nuclear test, and the like while anxiety to stability of area strengthens, when Japan and America assure cooperation, has emphasized, that the American machine is suitable in FX, if request of the Japanese side strengthens concerning F22A it made the prospect that clear it means freshly to seek permission of toward Japan export from the national assembly. Accepting the fact that the candidacy machine of FX is squeezed, the Japanese government has done to the thing which dispatches the investigator to America and the like during this year, selection job has materialized. October 23rd 6:10


Man, that was tough to read! LOL! Laughing

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asiatrails wrote:
The last sentence shows that they are actively asking for information on the F-22 because the ban on F-22 FMS was overturned after the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea set off their flashbulb.


Really? Or is this what they think or hope?

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Scorpion1alpha wrote:
asiatrails wrote:
The last sentence shows that they are actively asking for information on the F-22 because the ban on F-22 FMS was overturned after the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea set off their flashbulb.


Really? Or is this what they think or hope?


Australia recently made some negative comments on the JSF and the need to replace their Ardvarks with Raptors. Go Aussies!!
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Scorpion1alpha wrote:
Man, that was tough to read! LOL! Laughing


It's moot anyway, because what they seem to be forgetting is ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US! Razz
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Japan (and others) didn't get the F-117
Japan (and others) didn't get the B-1
Japan (and others) didn't get the B-2

Japan (and others) won't get the F-22

The F-117's are expected to retire in 2009, and we still won't sell those to other countries.

As for a "Dumbed Down" version. I thought that was the F-35. The F-35 is a great platform (stop the spear throwing), but it's not the F-22.

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Lurch wrote:
As for a "Dumbed Down" version. I thought that was the F-35. The F-35 is a great platform (stop the spear throwing), but it's not the F-22.


Ummm, depends on what you mean by 'dumbed down'. If you mean capabilities like radar, avionics, communications, etc, the F-35 is 'Smarted-Up' compared to the F-22.

Edited: Forgot to mention HMD....
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