Forum: Military Aircraft of the Cold War

TC, I found this in Jon Lake's book on the Phantom:

"The first air-to-air kill for the F-4Dwas scored on 24 October 1967, when Maj. William L. Kirk of the 433rd TFS / 8th TFW claimed a MiG-21 using the externally-mounted gunpod."

It doesn't specifically state SUU-23 but heck, how many different gunpods were there back then?

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Oops, hit <cr> too quick.. from the same book (paraphrased): in the summer of 1967 a 366th TFW crew in F-4C 64-0776 scored three kills, one by AIM-7, one by AIM-9, and one by gunpod. Doesn't say all three were on the same flight but kind of implies it.

Awesome. Totally Awesome. I had figured some Phantom crew had used the SUU-23 for a kill, but was not sure. BTW, there's also a SUU-16 pod, but I've never seen one on a Phantom. Have seen it on a Royal Navy Sea Harrier though.

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habu2 wrote:

TC, I found this in Jon Lake's book on the Phantom:

"The first air-to-air kill for the F-4Dwas scored on 24 October 1967, when Maj. William L. Kirk of the 433rd TFS / 8th TFW claimed a MiG-21 using the externally-mounted gunpod."

It doesn't specifically state SUU-23 but heck, how many different gunpods were there back then?

They were SUU-16 pods, they just mentioned that yesturday on "Tails of the Gun"

Double Ugly Time Question

Thats a new one to me Gums

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So I take it you don't much approve of the Turky either.

Ah, you gotta love the Eagle! Great jet. 107-0 record, give or take a few. I mean, hey, when you have to wonder over a couple that it may or may not have over the 100 mark, and it still hasn't been beaten, then you really don't have a lot to nitpick about do you? Besides, the ride is unbelieveable. But I still love the Rhino too. Would love to get a ride in that, although nothing I can think of could compare to the two rides I got in the Viper.

TC wrote:

Well, you are in trouble when you have no gun, and you're missiles don't work correctly. That was the problem the Phantom had. They ended up slapping a SUU-23 on the Phantoms in Nam, and it was a pretty good stopgap. One major problem though: it created a LOT of drag. BTW, does anyone have any record of a Phantom downing a MiG with the SUU-23? I know some E models have shot down MiGs with the M-61, but I wasn't sure about the 23.

I have a book about fighters in Vietnam that showed some MiG kill markings on a Phantom with the date, type of plane shot down, and what weapon was used. One Phantom had two kills with the SUU-23, both of which were MiG-17s I believe. I don't have a scanner to show you guys the photo, but I can go home later and tell you what book it's in.

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Forum: Military Aircraft of the Cold War

What? No F-4?