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He still has all his winders.

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Yep!!!!

Sam does have all his winders but he got his 21 with a 7. Nice Try!!!

None.

Still no cigars going out.

THe Snake

johnqhitman,

The J79 doesn't smoke in burner... Not one bit!

Okay Guys

It seems the interest has waned on this one so here it is.

1. Unless Luke AFB decided that they were going to get into the fight and fly the bird 7000 miles to and fro that the wrong tail flash for Takli but is the right one for Luke (LA). When Luke switched the the Viper the tail flashes changed to LV, i.e., Luke Viper.

2. As I said in a previous entry the only Tiger Teeth in SEA in 72 and 73 were on the birds (Fours and THuds) at Korat and Sam flew out of Takli if memory serves me correctly.

3. None of the pilots who flew fighters in SEA had white helemets. In fact each PE shop had roll upon roll of camo type that was applied to the helemet as soon as you signed in. A white helemet in the jungle (after a nylon letdown) was like a finger pointing directly back to you and was a real no-no if you ever wanted to kiss momma hello again.

The Snake

That means I got two out of three correct in my PM to you Snake. D@mn! I should've spoken up about the helmets though. However, I didn't know if the camo helmets were just for some aircrews and not others. Didn't know that none of the fighter guys flew with "white tops"...I only suspected that. Now, I have seen pics from 'Nam of AF and Navy guys with painted (personalized) helmets...ala, "Maverick" and "Goose"...but now that I think about it, no, I don't recall seeing white helmets from there. Now I know why.

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Yeah TC you did get 66% so you might get a short stoogie but no El Grande.

I really can't tell you about the Navy jocks. They were a breed onto themselves and did have their call signs plastered all over their helmets nametags and probably skivies. We weren't allowed these personnel call signs but made them up and used them anyways especially in the case of emergencies or confirmation. Maybe that's why the stick's of today can match the swabbies.

The Snake

Here here!

Luv it Snake-breath, and I might have to buy you a Havana product next time out west.

Hell, when we were at Korat together, we had the velco patches and so forth. Basically flew with plain suits and only carried lottsa green, some gold and out Geneva Convention card, heh heh. 'course, I always had a pound of cayenne pepper for the dogs and to season the snakes I would have to eat.

out,

Guysmiley wrote:

A-37 or T-37, it gives me a better feel for the scale of those jets. I've never been near one personally, and seeing people standing next to that one really gives a sense of size. It's like a Miata with wings!

And they came with WAY too much motor (is that possible?). You could easily overspeed your gear after rotation if you weren't quick on the retraction. We used them for spin training at Test Pilot School (until the tail of one tried to fall off) and those babies could climb like a homesick angel.

No such thing as to much power!!!!!

That was one of the main attributes of the Mattel Maruarder. It gave us the opportunity to cover each otrher during an attack run, and kept the gomers heads down (which was really helpful for TICs where theArmy needed time to get out of Dodge).

Example. Two birds on a strike in a wagon wheel orbit on opposite sides of the circle. In goes the lead and calls out his pickle. At that call, in goes two from his position on the circle and corrects as needed on the FACs call. Lead pulls to about a 45 degree climb goes full throttles and watches and clears two's attack. By the time two pickles lead is on the perch from anywhere in the circle and is rolling in as two calls his pickle. This dance continues until all ordnance is delivered or the FAC calls a time out (which he did cause he couldn't keep up with the speed of our attack). We could complete our six passes each (dropping singles) in about three minutes with the worst bomb being within 45 feet of the FACs mark.

The drawback here was that if we used this tactic we really couldn't STUKA the stuff onto the bad guys for real precision but instead reverted to the old 45 or on a good day 60 degree deliveries.

I don't ever remember worrying about overspeeding the gear doors as we always went off heavy but the throttles were in idle half way through the turn to final to make landing speed.

The Snake

We took off with only enough fuel in the tips to get us to the spin area since we couldn't spin until they were dry (not having empty tips going into a spin cost us one at Edwards doing this very profile). Needless to say we were really light and airborne in about 69 feet and first action was to chop the throttle a bit or we would overspeed.

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airborne in about 69 feet

Nicely done. Very Happy

Yes, especially when compared to that, the Tweety Bird is a pig on takeoff roll. I started thinking we'd never get off the d@mn ground! Laughing

But, oh when we did!...Helluva ride!

Beers and MiGs were made to be pounded!

Yo ho!

I believe Roscoe is slightly stretching the performance of the A-37.

Best I ever got was about 6-700 feet on a test hop. Had about 10 or 20 gallons in the tips (to ensure they fed). Roll, pull real quick, suck gear, establish 30 degrees on the ADI and watch runway in mirror until 10K or so.

Interestingly, was about the same procedure in the VooDoo, but we rotated at 155 knots versus 90 knots, and roll was a little less than 2000 feet on a cold day in Grand Forks. Our SOP was to use mil when the burner roll was under 2000 feet, heh heh.

Seriously, the Tweet had 900+ pounds of thrust per engine, for a total of maybe 1900 pounds. The J-85's we had in the Thunder Squeak were not the ones in Talon. They put out about 2850 pounds each without the burner. So just one motor had about 50% more thrust than the basic Tweet. GASP!!!! So then we added the other motor. Using my limited math skills, that comes out to about 5700 pounds versus 1900 pounds of thrust.

As Snake implied, "ain't ever too much power".

What a neat little jet, and I think many of us who flew it learned stuff that helped us be lots better in the next jet we got to fly.

Our card, "Smallest Fighter, Fastest Gun" and then, "When you care enough to expend the very best.....", "Wire Rap, Bien Hoa ... Dragon, Plieku"

out,

The LA tail code is correct for the 4th TFS at Da Nang, Takhli and then Udorn ...

The 366th also had Shark Mouth's on there jet's ... It was a different style though slightly from the Korat jet's ... Incidentally at Korat at least one of the airframes in each of the squadron's assigned carried the Shark Teeth for a short period of time .. From the 135 & 121 to the A-7 . Only one I haven't seen a picture of but know there was one is the EC-130 from the 7th ACCs ..

RJ

Ah Young Grasshopper!!!!!

Yes, the 4th did have LA on the tail early in the conflict but later they moved to Luke. All the birds at Luke had the LA markings in 71-72.

You've got to read my story on how the Tiger kept its teeth in the 388 in 72 -73. Or if you did, you were right that some of the other squadron birds experiments with them including the Thud outfits. BUT!!!, all the other Double uglies lost theirs when the last IG team left Vietnam.

Snake

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