Forum: General F-35 Forum

7 wrote:

What complete and utter tosh! Only in the dreams of fan~boys would this ever happen only to wake up in the real world to find it was a wee bit of a wet dream gone wrong. Some people are obviously still a bit pee'd off that both US fighters got dropped....Amusing!

I don't think anybody expects this to happen at all. Actually if you bothered to read, most of us don't want it to happen.

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Pentagon Awaits India’s Interest in Lockheed F-35 Fighter Nov 01, 2011 By Viola Gienger

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-1 ... ghter.html

"...The U.S. Defense Department expressed eagerness to work more closely with India, including sharing information on its top weapons program, Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Should India indicate interest in the JSF, the United States would be prepared to provide information on the JSF and its requirements,” including on security and infrastructure, the Defense Department said today in a congressionally mandated report on U.S.-India security cooperation....

...India has urged the U.S. to give it more access to technology so that the two countries can develop weapons together. The Pentagon acknowledged that goal in the report.

“The United States wants to develop deeper defense industrial cooperation with India, including a range of cooperative research and development,” they wrote in the assessment. “The United States is committed to providing India with top-of-the-line technology.”..."

More at the jump URL.

Any deal selling F-35s to India is gonna have to wait until we leave Afghanistan and don't need Pakistan anymore. However, by the time that happens, my guess is that one of the Eurocanards will already be in service with the IAF. That leaves LM with only one option, competing against the PAK-FA; and I don't think the Indians are willing to give up a fighter that they helped design in exchange for LM's proprietary system.

If the Industanis play this skillfully, then they might gain possession of both systems and more within ten years. That could end up being an excellent trade at the costs of a limited buy-in and reverse engin effort. At which point they are global industry competitors knowing lead technologies applicable to UCAVs, missiles and other revenue systems at relatively cheap pricepoint. Assuming they can manufacture.

I think the MMRCA is a done deal for either Rafale or Tphoon. Maybe the Indian Navy can cosider the F-35 B or C for its carrier fleet.

Personally, I'd rather we didn't sell the F-35 to India either (I doubt it would take long for F-35 info to find it's way to Russia). I just think it's amusing that they're also seeing the folly of depending on 4th gen aircraft going forward. Sure, they may be good for NOW but they looking at 20-30 years out into the future as well.

If India considers the F-35, they will have to wait a few more years to replace their MiG-21's.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-d ... ale-t.html

Can somebody explain this, 126 Typhoons for $ 10.5 billion??

Some $83 million per Typhoon …. all in!!!
While offer to Japan: $120 million
And even that prize seems to me very low

The British themselves never could buy a Typhoon for $83 million all in.

Problem
In order to purchase the F-35 LM would have to agree to allow 50% of each F-35 to be built in India, and to allow for Indian components and weapons.
Also they will have to bring down the price of each F-35 by about 50%.

Funny.
The reason the Saab Grippen was eliminated from the Indian competition was because of its radar was supposed to be inferior.
Oddly that same radar is also in the Eurofighter.

Kinda like the US refusing to allow the export of the F414 to India for use with the Gripen, but they are perfectly ok with selling the same F414 if India were to purchase the F/A-18E/F.

grinner68 wrote:

Problem
In order to purchase the F-35 LM would have to agree to allow 50% of each F-35 to be built in India, and to allow for Indian components and weapons.
Also they will have to bring down the price of each F-35 by about 50%.

Funny.
The reason the Saab Grippen was eliminated from the Indian competition was because of its radar was supposed to be inferior.
Oddly that same radar is also in the Eurofighter.

Kinda like the US refusing to allow the export of the F414 to India for use with the Gripen, but they are perfectly ok with selling the same F414 if India were to purchase the F/A-18E/F.

Everybody pulls the strings they've got. Laughing

grinner68 wrote:

Problem

Funny.
The reason the Saab Grippen was eliminated from the Indian competition was because of its radar was supposed to be inferior.
Oddly that same radar is also in the Eurofighter.

Kinda like the US refusing to allow the export of the F414 to India for use with the Gripen, but they are perfectly ok with selling the same F414 if India were to purchase the F/A-18E/F.

The US also denied (at least for now) a Raytheon AESA for the Grippen fighter tender for Norway and maybe Denmark. If the F-35 turns out to be too costly, the technology releases needed for the Grippen might be resurrected.

sferrin wrote:

LOL! "Tosh"? Well it's not hard to see you don't like it. Wink

Don't like the F-35 or find Lockheed Martin's and some people's ambitions regarding the MMRCA a giggle? To give you a bit of a clue for your one liners its the latter I find amusing.

7 wrote:

sferrin wrote:

LOL! "Tosh"? Well it's not hard to see you don't like it. Wink

Don't like the F-35 or find Lockheed Martin's and some people's ambitions regarding the MMRCA a giggle? To give you a bit of a clue for your one liners its the latter I find amusing.

High class. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weijnvNC ... re=related LMAO

But you are right, the F-35 bid in India will be funny to watch no matter how it turns out.

m wrote:

Can somebody explain this, 126 Typhoons for $ 10.5 billion??

Some $83 million per Typhoon …. all in!!!
While offer to Japan: $120 million
And even that prize seems to me very low

The British themselves never could buy a Typhoon for $83 million all in.

I've read in some forums that the MMRCA number of $10.5 billion for 126 aircraft (Rafale or Typhoon, doesn't matter) is outdated, and now it is close to be a - approximately - 20 billion deal (~150 mill. per a/c).

Can't confirm if it's true, we'll have to wait and see... Whistle

grinner68 wrote:

Funny.
The reason the Saab Grippen was eliminated from the Indian competition was because of its radar was supposed to be inferior.
Oddly that same radar is also in the Eurofighter.

Which itself is nonsense as the ES-05A Raven slatted for the Gripen NG and the Captor-E slatted for the Typhoon are two different radars. That Selex Galileo is involved in both doesn't make it the same radar. Wink

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