Forum: General F-35 Forum

m,

With all respect, most level observers of the F-35 Program to date understand very well that the original 'advertisements' of 2,440 and 3,000+ F-35s produced etc, is a major component of the inherent Program flaw. Most level observers understand that when FRP is actually declared, perhaps 2017, 2018(?), that annual FRP production rates will be far lower than the currently assumed and advertised pre-conceived numbers. Ditto, the inherent flaw comment.

A level minded observer of the grossly underestimated actual F-22 unit price hikes, which were grossly underestimated as late as 2005-2006, can apply that lesson and example also to the inevitable grossly underestimated expectations and assumptions related to F-35's affordable and sustainable unit procurement costs once the inevitable drop in annual orders come into play. That should have been evident and been a main-stream assessment for some time now - it would have been helpful for strategic planning.

We now unfortunately have the additional underestimated global fiscal and financial component to factor in, which will only further constrain budget appropriations in the near-future further challenging the already unsustainable plan. God speed...

F-16 was originally an 800-900 aircraft program and they're now at 4500. Good that they didn't declare failure early in that program when they had production problems...or when the grandstand experts declared fly-by-wire a failure...or when they said F-18 had too much glass in the cockpit...or when they said that they had too much plastic (composite)... and on and on and on.

m,

With all respect, most level observers of the F-35 Program to date understand very well that the original 'advertisements' of 2,440 and 3,000+ F-35s produced etc, is a major component of the inherent Program flaw. Most level observers understand that when FRP is actually declared, perhaps 2017, 2018(?), that annual FRP production rates will be far lower than the currently assumed and advertised pre-conceived numbers. Ditto, the inherent flaw comment.

A level minded observer of the grossly underestimated actual F-22 unit price hikes, which were grossly underestimated as late as 2005-2006, can apply that lesson and example also to the inevitable grossly underestimated expectations and assumptions related to F-35's affordable and sustainable unit procurement costs once the inevitable drop in annual orders come into play. That should have been evident and been a main-stream assessment for some time now - it would have been helpful for strategic planning.

We now unfortunately have the additional underestimated global fiscal and financial component to factor in, which will only further constrain budget appropriations in the near-future further challenging the already unsustainable plan. God speed...

Except that the F-16 was a tremendous success from start to finish. Unlike the F-35, this remarkable fighter won out on its sheer simplicity. Unlike the F-35, the Falcon didn't need an extensive development program for testing and retesting completely new systems... actually costing much less to design in comparison. There was never really a point in the program when the F-16 ever started failing to meet its objectives or going significantly over budget.

How exactly are you trying to compare these aircraft? The only thing they seem to have in common are their origins as a supplement to a big brother air superiority fighter, the F-15 and F-22 respectively. That's where the similarities end, as the F-35 has since gone on its own path.

No need. I already know that fanboyitis renders its victims utterly immune to the unhappy shock that so often accompanies the cold splash of uncaring reality...

Watching you guys reminds me of nothing so much as watching the equally fervid Noah's Ark fanboys with their painstakingly concocted logistics charts, fallacious arguments about 'kinds', and the 'working 'scale models'of their Joke of a Silly Fantasy...

True Believers...

Everyone has got to be glad, the US is the lead level partner.
Otherwise the project would have became a complete disaster like European projects.

The F-16 had its own share of problems. You seem to live in a dreamy world where everything in the past went just swell right away. Wrong.

The available data supports the proposition that the J-20, once fully developed, will be a high performance stealth aircraft, arguably capable of competing in most cardinal performance parameters (i.e. speed, altitude, stealth, agility) with the United States F-22A Raptor, and superior in most if not all cardinal performance parameters against the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

I found this cute....



http://www.jamestown.org/programs/china ... c9d2deac3a

Makes you want to slap the guy and tell him to wake up to himself.

Seconding that! I seem to remember the critics saying the F-16, F-15, M-1 tank, AH-64, Bradley IFV and others were all going to be colossal failures at the time of their service entry. How different reality was...

When's the last time a program got away with going more than 50% over budget?

Once you sling bombs under it then it no longer has ANY advantages over a legacy fighter! :}

I couldn't agree more, BAE systems would have really made a balls up of this if they were in charge as they do with just about every program they're put in charge. Absolute cretins those people are ripping of the UK tax payer over and over and over again.