Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

underhill wrote:

It's well known that the world's foremost air combat experts can be found living in Nottingham and using the forum handle "Wolfsith".

Its also very well known the Typhoon is not in the same league as the Raptor. Only desperate marketing folks and fanatical fanboys would try and say otherwise.
Oh and this RAF pilot is in full agreement that Typhoon is not the best - i'd like to see you say that he is not an 'air comabt expert'...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aXYS0cmkQ0

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cutlassracer wrote:

There are about 4 of them here now. Another red flag is getting ready to kick off, lines fillin up. Figured the Raptor folks are getting tired of blasting unsuspecting 15's and 16's out of the sky. Time for some fresh meat.

Red Flag 11-1 was cancelled, so there wont be any fresh meat for a while...

Shaken wrote:

What exactly does a "Balanced Survivability Concept" mean? Can the pilot reach his own ankles in flight?

In this case it means not to rely on a single technology/factor to achieve survivability. Meaning reduced signatures, performance, SA and CM etc.

Scorpion82 wrote:

Shaken wrote:

What exactly does a "Balanced Survivability Concept" mean? Can the pilot reach his own ankles in flight?

In this case it means not to rely on a single technology/factor to achieve survivability. Meaning reduced signatures, performance, SA and CM etc.

Of course the F-22 has higher marks in each of those categories, so it's hardly relying on a single technology either.

I've just answered the question nothing else smarty. Btw what kind of CM is available on the F-22 NOW?

Scorpion82 wrote:

Shaken wrote:

What exactly does a "Balanced Survivability Concept" mean? Can the pilot reach his own ankles in flight?

In this case it means not to rely on a single technology/factor to achieve survivability. Meaning reduced signatures, performance, SA and CM etc.

My comment was meant pretty tongue in-cheek, but I appreciate the sincere reply.

i do have some serious concerns about the Tiffie's ability to take the fight to the enemy. As a air defense fighter, it should be superb, but its ability to successfully penetrate and suppress a modern IADS appears borderline and will continue to diminish as new SAMs appear. I am similarly skeptical that standoff weapons are a viable primary solution to cracking a modern IADS. (Unless you're willing to go the Hound-Dog/SRAM route and put nukes on your SEAD missiles; in which case, all bets are off.)

As an air defense fighter (think modern F-106), the Typhoon should be readily able to handle anything short of an F-22 or F-35; and even these types can't take the Typhoon lightly. Happily, the only potential Typhoon vs F-22 or F-35 fight in the foreseeable future is if Greece reinstates their Typhoon buy and decides to have another go with Turkey. (There are no pending USAF v Austria fights, right?)

-- Shaken - out --

Interestingly its this kind of defensive scenario which is also repeatedly selected by the Eurofighter marketing department. They aren't dealing with offensive operations against a nation. See the "the Arctic fighter" part in that issue. The aircraft has been designed as a defensive weapons system and is also listed as such for the RAF for example. The roles of the F-22 and Eurofighter are by design different and ever were, despite the fact that they are both optimised for AA.
Albeit one has to bear in mind that the majority of potential threat nations doesn't even remotely offer the capability often linked to modern warfare scenarios. Can you think of anyone spare Russia or China outside the west who may show hostile tendencies and offers such capabilities (advanced IADS, latest threat fighters)?

Scorpion82 wrote:

I've just answered the question nothing else smarty. Btw what kind of CM is available on the F-22 NOW?

What kind of CM is available on the Typhoon NOW?

Conan wrote:

Scorpion82 wrote:

I've just answered the question nothing else smarty. Btw what kind of CM is available on the F-22 NOW?

What kind of CM is available on the Typhoon NOW?

Good luck finding out either. CM (especially ECM) is something you would be lucky to even hear hints of.

Conan wrote:

Scorpion82 wrote:

I've just answered the question nothing else smarty. Btw what kind of CM is available on the F-22 NOW?

What kind of CM is available on the Typhoon NOW?

DECM+FO-TRD in case of the Typhoon... F-22? EA/jamming through APG-77 already available?

boff180 wrote:

I do wish they would stop making claims that she is as good as Raptor, it isn't. The should concentrate on the F-16, Rhino and Rafale.

I agree with that.

If the Eurofighter Consortium continues to market their Typhoon by comparing it with the F-22, it could potientially turn off potential customers because not many will believe their claims.

However, if they will focus on comparing their product with the latest block Vipers, "Super" Hornet, Gripen and the Rafale, that will be more effective. Not only are those aircrafts direct competitors for sales, but I do see the Typhoon having legitimate advantages in some areas over those competing jets that may appeal to future buyers.

(Note to BAE Systems, Alenia Aeronautica and EAD's Marketing Dept. If you're reading this and use my idea, my royalty request is reasonable and negotiable).

Real customers rarely make their decisions on such claims, they actually say show us and evaluate.

Scorpion82 wrote:

Conan wrote:

Scorpion82 wrote:

I've just answered the question nothing else smarty. Btw what kind of CM is available on the F-22 NOW?

What kind of CM is available on the Typhoon NOW?

DECM+FO-TRD in case of the Typhoon... F-22? EA/jamming through APG-77 already available?

Apologies, I thought you meant "cruise missile" rather than "counter measures".

Carry on. Nothing to see here...

Dont know why people get so stirred up whenever marketing mentioning the Eurofighter comes up.

Like the marketing machine never lies on either side of the pond...REALLY. Very Happy

Pilotasso wrote:

Dont know why people get so stirred up whenever marketing mentioning the Eurofighter comes up.

Like the marketing machine never lies on either side of the pond...REALLY. Very Happy

Er, care to point out where US marketing has made a claim as utterly ridiculous as this recent claim by Eurofighter? I sure can't think of one. I swear if the Ark Royal was put up for sale by Eurofighter they'd be claiming its as capable as a Nimitz class carrier. I'm sure they appreciate your valiant white knighting and excusing of them though.

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