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The tails seem to be being used as a speed brake (pointing in opposite directions).

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battleshipagincourt wrote:

g3143 wrote:

Something about the engine nozzle does not seem real to me.

Yeah, they look painted-on.

And get a load of that takeoff photo with the exhaust causing the light to refract in the background. It looks photoshopped... I mean it couldn't look more obvious.

Ever seen a fighter take off? That's what it looks like. The inward canted tails are probably to help the nose come off the ground. Raptor's do that on takeoff as well.

Pretty sure it's real there's zillions of articles about its first flight today.

Is it just the angle or does it appear not to use afterburn on takeoff?

Shep1978: Thanks for your reply. I've enjoyed reading your posts and we seem to agree on many things. I have read about Chinese anti-piracy efforts off the coast of Africa. Part of the reason for their involvement was because it was a lot of Chinese-flagged ships that were being hijacked. I think there was even a small joint Chinese-American anti-piracy exercise last year, but I'm not positive about that. Does American anti-piracy patrols also mean that the States has a power interest in Africa? The same action (anti-piracy patrols) can be seen construed very differently (protecting international shipping lanes versus projecting power).

No doubt the Chinese leadership has a mixed up perspective most of the time. They seem to value their pride more than the lives of their own citizens. They seem to easily perceive others as disrespectful or threatening while somehow being oblivious to their own posture. But they are a decade behind the US in most important areas of military development. 1 pretend carrier versus 12 American supercarriers. A handful of ICBMs versus a few thousand held by Russia and the US. The Chinese population are becoming less tolerant of oppression. I hope they figure things out and peacefully emerge as a regional power.

I don't think one has to be against American military power to argue that others' nations pursuit of regional equality may also be legitimate. America has done a lot to promote individual freedom abroad for which everyone on the planet should be grateful. But like any other country, it has to value its own interests over its ideals or its not likely to be around for long. The US certainly continues to support oppressive regimes abroad (like the recent massive arms deal to Saudi Arabia) while acting against democratically elected governments that don't support American interests (Guatemala, Venezuela, etc.). Given that all countries pursue their own interests, it doesn't seem unreasonable that China wishes to re-assert itself in its part of the world. China has always seen itself as the centre of Asia but has been backward, invaded, and humiliated for more than a 100 years.

It's people on both sides who blindly point fingers who tend to push for wars and tend to profit by fear and hatred. There seems to be a strong anti-Sino mood in the US which the Chinese government happily uses to instill nationalism to control its own people. It takes maturity to stand up for what you believe in without de-humanizing others. Wars are necessary, but fear and hate seem to serve only their own end.

Nozzles look different probably due to some IR reduction treatment they're trying. Just a guess.

The first flight takeoff was at mil power. Nozzles were closed, would be open for burner takeoff.

Interesting news snippet about F-35 potential for stealth sleuthing:

Anti-Stealth Sensors to Tackle Chinese and Russian LO Designs Posted by David A. Fulghum at 1/11/2011

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... 0e2b5f387d

"...Another issue that will continue to surround all stealth designs is how long will current stealth designs offer invulnerability as air defenses adopt even larger and more powerful AESA radars. From the early days of AESA development, a key goal was to build a radar that can detect a very small object like a cruise missile at a distance great enough to target and shoot it down or a larger object like a fighter with a very low observable treatment.

Airborne detection of stealth aircraft may have already been accomplished in a series of tests done at Edwards AFB, Calif. in the second half of 2009. Those with insight into the research say Lockheed Martin’s CATbird avionics testbed –a 737 that carries the F-35 joint strike fighter’s entire avionics system -- engaged a mixed force of F-22s and F-15s and was able to target the F-22s.

"The F-35 mission systems suite is the most sophisticated and powerful avionics package of any fighter in the world," said Dan Crowley, Lockheed Martin executive vice president and F-35 program general manager at the time of the tests.

His clue about the fighter’s anti-stealth capability is in a reference to confronting new, sophisticated, foreign aircraft.

“The F-35's avionics include on-board sensors that will enable pilots to strike fixed or moving ground targets in high-threat environments, day or night, in any weather, while simultaneously targeting and eliminating advanced airborne threats,” Crowley said.

After reading what Spaz posted above I think I it may also point to why the F-117 has been flying again fairly recently.

It's very good that they feel confidant they can detect and track the foreign stealth fighters too but after seeing the videos of the F-35's radar in action I can hardly say i'm shocked as that system seems pretty amazing to say the least.

Maybe the tail is broken. The cans could be false too. Back in the day when the West was learning how to build jet powered aircraft they had fixed cans too. Doh

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battleshipagincourt wrote:

g3143 wrote:

Something about the engine nozzle does not seem real to me.

Ever seen a fighter take off? That's what it looks like. The inward canted tails are probably to help the nose come off the ground. Raptor's do that on takeoff as well.

Pretty sure it's real there's zillions of articles about its first flight today.

F/A-18 type and I believe the F-35 too.

g3143 wrote:

And look at the tail it's in the same position in all most every picture.

Also there seems to be no sign of a weapons bay.

As I said – everybody knows that it’s just a model made of cardboard and slightly photoshopped (or ‘videoshopped’). Of course it’s unable to fly, all photos and videos and eyewitnesses accounts are lies. Laughing

LOL, this is becoming ridiculous.

exec wrote:

LOL, this is becoming ridiculous.

I agree, its time to put the scepticism to bed,

this article in AW begs the question.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs/de ... d=blogDest

And the answer is ................................ the F-22

If the J-20 is a stealth, high speed and altitude fighter bomber/interceptor, is the F-35 the answer Asian Pacific partners are looking for? The F-35 having a high degree of stealth and sensor capability, but not the speed and altitude puts it at a disadvantage.

The F-22 is the answer, and I know where that discussion will go.

Nobody knows how high the J-20 can go and the F-35 is designed to go above 55,000 feet.

Hypothetically speaking, as notional Chinese requirement that thier new AC at some level is roughly competitive with the F-22. The unknown is a factor, but if the Chinese even acheived a lesser degree of equality with the F-22, then it has some superior charactoristics over the F-35. Charactoristics that can be used as strengths against the F-35, whose strengths would be EW and stealth.

Is the F-35 the best solution for the Asian Pacific, to counter the T-50 & J-20?

strykerxo wrote:

Hypothetically speaking, as notional Chinese requirement that thier new AC at some level is roughly competitive with the F-22. The unknown is a factor, but if the Chinese even acheived a lesser degree of equality with the F-22, then it has some superior charactoristics over the F-35. Charactoristics that can be used as strengths against the F-35, whose strengths would be EW and stealth.

Is the F-35 the best solution for the Asian Pacific, to counter the T-50 & J-20?

The F-35 will be more than capable of taking on the PAK-FA and J-20. Plus, it will be available in far greater numbers........

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