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"Three measures of F-35s, one of X-32, half a measure of MiG-29. Shaken, not stirred"

Nah, I agree with LOB--there's gotta be some sort of Viper in the bloodline.

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flateric wrote:

Single-engined PAK FA iteration (T-50-49) was intended for never realized Chernyshev MMP engine

That's just a mere conjectural drawing. The PAK FA will obviously be twin-engined.

flateric wrote:

"Three measures of F-35s, one of X-32, half a measure of MiG-29. Shaken, not stirred"

Felix Leiter: "I'll have the same thing, without the fruit."

OL

I should've figured something was up when this thread jumped from 2 to 5 pages within the span of a few hours. I'm locking this one up at least for a little while guys. I also cleaned up the thread, and got rid of the confrontational posts.

Fact of the matter folks is that this plane is still on the drawing board. None of you work on this project, and none of you really know anything about it. However, we always have one or two "experts" on the topic. Check your so-called "facts". This forum is for serious discussions on real planes.

Oh yeah, and I'll also have what Outlaw is having.

Does anyone think it is a 'crying shame' that after the great lead in fighter aircraft quality and the time that lead existed, that now that lead is whittled down, significantly. Consider the financial condition the late USSR and Russia have been in for the last twenty years plus and in the middle of the next decade will field the Su-35 and PAK-FA T-50 a little later. While the technical lead the USA has will still exist, there will no longer be a huge gap that existed just a few years ago. SO SAD, the USA had the time and money to amass a huge lead that could be sustained. The PAK-FA T-50, while not the equal of the F-22A, will be similar in capabilities to the Euro-fighters and will be built in far greater numbers.

Actualy your T-50 looks nothing more than a missle platform, no where near capable of contending with our 22, not to mention the cost to actualy build, fly, and maintain that aircraft. LOL the Su-35. Look we will never go to war with Russia. Us, and them sell our weapons to other countries. You honestly think that all the years of stealth, that we dont have the capabilities, to know how, when, and how, what, a stealth signature doesnt look like. LOL trust me we know exactly what to look for, if S,.it ever hit the fan. Oh yeah we are also testing lassers as weapons, so again why worry?

How can you say the U.S. doesn't have a significant lead when the PAK-FA T-50 is still an 'on paper' pipe dream that will probably never get built?

Trolling.......

Trolling, I know, but I have to add something to the fire...

The T-50 may end up just like the MFI 1.42 which flew something like 2 times?

Anyone remember it? Shrug

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-Claimed to have better aerodynamic characteristics and to be faster than the F-22.

-Powered by two Saturn/Lyulka AL-41F afterburning turbofans with thrust vectoring nozzles, the MFI has a claimed maximum speed of M2.6, compared with the F-22's optimum M1.7.

-Capable of making long-range supersonic flights at between M1.6 and M1.8 without afterburner in supercruise mode.

-With a twin-finned delta configuration featuring 16 control surfaces, the fly-by-wire aircraft is constructed largely of composite materials and is covered with radar absorbent paint

-With some of its air-to-air weapons stowed within the fuselage, the aircraft's stealth characteristics are "at least as good as [for the] F-22", according to Korzhuyev.

ANPK MiG is ready to co-operate with foreign companies interested in developing a more affordable derivative of the MFI, according to Korzhuyev. This is most likely to be realised through the bureau's LFS (legkiy frontovoy samolyot), or I-2000, lightweight fighter, which is intended to match the US-led Joint Strike Fighter programme. Even without having seen the design, several countries are already prepared to finance the programme, claims Korzhuyev.

The I-2000 LFS has never been seen as more than an 'undesigned model' at an air show... Rolling Eyes

We've been waiting for this mythical T-50 for years now, and it seems more a test-bed than actual production aircraft;

"The engine will be the Saturn/Lyulka 117S derivative of the Su-27's AL-31F engine and not the next-generation AL-41F1 design, and there will be few new-age onboard systems in the avionics suite... ...the radar to be flown in the aircraft from NIIP [the V. Tikhomirov Scientific research Institute of Instrument Design] will be a variation on the Irbis-E passive electronically scanning array [PESA] radar and not a full AESA [Active Electronically Scanned Array]"

"The most likely near-term future for the PAK-FA is that there will be prototype demonstrators that make a number of flights - just like the Mikoyan MFI 1.44 and Sukhoi S-37/Su-47 models - and then the programme may slow down or come to a halt altogether while industry tries to finish developing these onboard systems"

If 5 aircraft are built and flying an actual test program with all the 'advanced' equipment, I'll begin to take the T-50 serious; but right now it's nothing more than a pipe-dream test airframe with outdated Gen-4 guts.

Keep 'em flyin' Thumb

TEG

I absolutely love the MiG 1.44's design. It's a sexy beast. It wasn't a 5th generation fighter, of course, despite the many claims about it. However, just because something isn't the best doesn't mean I can't like it.

Reportedly, several prototypes for the T-50 have already been constructed. However, with all of these delays in the maiden flight, I wish that Sukhoi would release some photographs of them in order to keep the project fresh in the public's mind. I'm dying to know what this thing looks like. Also, if they are having engine problems (as some news articles have suggested), then why don't they stick older engines in the airframe for the maiden flight instead? That's what they did with the Su-47 (they used the MiG-31's D-30 instead of the intended 117S).

Kryptid wrote:

Reportedly, several prototypes for the T-50 have already been constructed. However, with all of these delays in the maiden flight, I wish that Sukhoi would release some photographs of them in order to keep the project fresh in the public's mind. I'm dying to know what this thing looks like. Also, if they are having engine problems (as some news articles have suggested), then why don't they stick older engines in the airframe for the maiden flight instead? That's what they did with the Su-47 (they used the MiG-31's D-30 instead of the intended 117S).

They actually do use an existing engine the AL-41F1S aka article 117S. This engine flys aboard the Su-35 and it will power the T-50 prototype as well. The problems are related to the AL-41F1 which is an all new engine, while the AL-41F1S is a development of the AL-31F.

It may be worth noting that the Burkut has been noted in the past week to be flying again. Perhaps testing control software??

Also it was announced last week that India has joined the development process.

Andy

Recent word out of Russia is that first flight has yet again been delayed and will now not occur until next year. Earliest service entry is post-2015.

The thing is obsolete before it will ever fly!

I seem to remember Sukhoi's General Director Mikhail Pogosyan stated something like the Pak-Fa will fly before the end of 2009.

Comrade, as of 18 Dec, you have 2 weeks to accomplish 1st flight!

Rolling Eyes

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