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From what I hear from Plasma stealth, it is nearly impossible to make and very expensive to make (if at least possible).

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Code3 wrote:

jnt11593 wrote:

If I'm not to mistaken you can see the Fanblades inside the intake, which i thought was very counter-productive for a VLO/LO A/C?

PLASMA STEALTH! U Stoopid Merikans don't no about Russian advansted PLASMA STEALTH! If you don't beleeve me, youtube it!

These's some question that those are not actually fan blades but some sort of radar blocker.. they don't seem aligned with the engine nozzles.. not unless the Russians build curved engines.. we'll know for sure in due time.

HaveVoid wrote:

Found this article, it references a new Kopp article. I don't know why, but this guy seems to be a wee bit on the extreme side..

and Peter Goon from Air Power Australia, an independent adviser to the Australian military says that the new Russian fighter, the Sukhoi T-50 or PAK-FA, could hold the “future of tactical air power”.

In terms of its design, the report argues that the T-50 has a design that “has forward fuselage, inlet, upper fuselage, wing and tail surface airframe Very Low Observable (VLO/stealth) shaping, which is highly competitive against the US F-22A Raptor and YF-23 ATF designs. Aft and centre lower fuselage, and aft fuselage and nozzle shaping is inferior to the F-22A Raptor and YF-23 ATF designs, sharing the same deficiencies as the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.”

However, the report says that where the T-50 design potentially excels is in its “combined use of 3D thrust vector control of the engine nozzles, all moving tail surfaces, and refined aerodynamic design with relaxed directional static stability and careful mass distribution to control inertial effects”.

Dr Kopp and Goon also think that Russian radar design will be on a par with Western standards with X-band multi-mode primary Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. They consider that once in production, the T-50 will match the F-22A Raptor in most aspects and outperform it “aerodynamically and kinematically”.

In summing up, the report says that the T-50 will “render all legacy US fighter aircraft and the F-35 strategically irrelevant” once it enters service in 2015 and the only “viable strategic survival strategy now remaining for the United States is to terminate the Joint Strike Fighter programme immediately” and direct funding to improve the F-22A Raptor

LOL

He is making some incredible assumptions in his articles/write ups...

While they may well prove true, it remains to be seen. At this time it's safe to say there is potential, but it's potential that needs to be realized. That's going to take a lot of time, money and ingenuity to get it to where he has things "on paper".

Code3 wrote:

jnt11593 wrote:

If I'm not to mistaken you can see the Fanblades inside the intake, which i thought was very counter-productive for a VLO/LO A/C?

PLASMA STEALTH! U Stoopid Merikans don't no about Russian advansted PLASMA STEALTH! If you don't beleeve me, youtube it!

I know fully well that you're joking but that post was great and made me split my sides laughing! Very realistic too!

primorsky wrote:

shep1978

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I do fully expect BS figures such as 60 million dollars unit cost to be banded about by Sukhoi and the Russian government and we'd have no way of proving such nonsense.

Official figures for PAK-FA were ~100 million dollar cost per unit.

Trouble is as I explained earlier you/we have no idea at all if those official figures are true as in Russia nobody is in any position to know otherwise. No public accountabilty like in western nations.
They say 100 mil but they could be paying 150mil or 200mil and no-one would be able to find out otherwise, Even if someone did find out the true costs no newspaper editor would print it for the very real fear of themselves or their family going missing too.

The long and the short of it is that the Russians claims in regards to price are not to be taken as face value...

jnt11593 wrote:

If I'm not to mistaken you can see the Fanblades inside the intake, which i thought was very counter-productive for a VLO/LO A/C?

It's not fan blades (if you look carefully, it's too close to being engine).
Accoring to latest "leaks", T-50's air ducts are equiped with radar blockers.

primorsky wrote:

jnt11593 wrote:

If I'm not to mistaken you can see the Fanblades inside the intake, which i thought was very counter-productive for a VLO/LO A/C?

It's not fan blades (if you look carefully, it's too close to being engine).
Accoring to latest "leaks", T-50's air ducts are equiped with radar blockers.

That's a classic one primorsky. Even is obviously, one must state the opposite, it's the way propaganda goes. The Indians didn't sign the contract for PAK-FA, when PM Putin was in India this March. The moneys of India are still need it ... Well, good luck with PAK-FA, what it can't kill you it make you stronger.

Maybe the final/production PAK-FA will have intake radar blockers.

The current PAK-FA has no radar blockers whatsoever despite what some may like to imagine. (not so much meaning here but on other forums)

End result is that the intakes have zero 'stealthy' features, no curves, no blockers no nothing.
On another note i notice we have seen nothing of the internal launcher arrangment. Anyone else like me thinking it doesn't yet exist?

Not so sure about engine blade blockers. The following video shows an interesting concept:

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Radar blockers? LMFAO!!! Russkies are putting together a "L/O" a/c with very poor low observable features.

So far I've heard about plasma stealth, radar blockers and for lack of a better term, "it'll get better".

Between the new engine, avionics, weapons and stealth technology holes it seems as if it's got a LONG way to go in order to one up the Raptor. Not saying it isn't possible, but those are major hurdles that are going to be difficult to fund/overcome.

I would speculate that if one or most of those run into trouble its real value will lie in a strike fighter role. With that kind of range, payload carrying capability and airframe built for speed it would be difficult to counter.

mixelflick wrote:

So far I've heard about plasma stealth

For the PAK-FA?
Not digging at you but I suspect some fanatics who dearly wish the PAK-FA to be a true rival to the F-22 have regurgitated the fabled plasma stealth sheild legend as a way of compensating for how the PAK-FA turned out, (disapointing)
We used to get the same nonsense rumour about the Su-47 abomination and the Mig1.42 thing both having plasma stealth too. Again it was all dreamt up by those fanatics desperatly trying to compensate for the absolutly awful natural stealth properties of those two aircraft.

Where are you getting the plasma stealth nonsense story from? You tube? Key pub?

Exactly. My point was..."plasma stealth" gets kicked around as some viable solution with zero evidence of such. I'll make sure to clarify in the future..

wouldnt count out the PAKFA, it has 5 AESA radars while the f-22 has one. the Raptor may detect it first but PAKFA by no means is a weak contender.

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Overstatement of PAK-FA capabilities?