Forum: General F-22A Raptor forum

Hey, Shep, thanks for that tidbit. On what forum did you find it?

funny part is, those guys don't even mention the possibility, ALR/94 could be used passively and 77 in very small beam to lock the target.... they just assume 77 was turned off whole time..

I wouldn't have expected anything more from that site if i'm honest.
I visit there each day, and whilst you do pick up the odd good titbit from the few good posters on the site I find it futile attempting reasoned debate or discussion there thanks to exceptionally dimwitted moderators who couldn't spot a troll right under thier noses and the sheer idiocy of the majority of the posters.

you also stand a good chance of getting banned as soon as you don't subscribe to the views of the herd...

a majority of the "prolific" members wouldn't know the difference between a 9x and a patriot but will happily preach about how "x" russian/chinese/indian missile will chew the buttocks out of "name your favourite western aircraft"

the few good posters in there have to suffer through the dribble thats pushed as fact by a chattering horde of apparently "part time" aviation and weapons systems engineers.

there's a world wide shortage of weapons/systems engineers, but if we wander off over to the key forums then all our current tasking probs would be solved quicker than a pickpocket at the races...

There are much more active users over at keypub than on most other boards. The number of idiots is subsequently higher as well. I nonetheless value the much greater diversity of people over there, with different focuses as this leads to a more balanced mix of views. At places like this or SP you have a dominant majority of people with the same focus which results in some sort of collective mind. People with similar interests tend to share similar opinions. There is certainly an equal proportion of idiots/uncritical fanboys in those places, but it's more difficult to recognise them as they go with the flow. Those people just absorb the arguments put forward by the few knowledgeable members and as their views are aligned with that of the rest (not because of their expertise, but fanboyism/nationalism and whatever reasons) they are inconspicuous here.
Unfortunately those people increasingly swap over to keypubs to a larger extend now which is increasingly pulling down the level there. They register there as they are looking for trouble and show their real face which they're hiding in places like this. The lack of opposition means that the discussions lack the "action" here so they are looking for places where is more action to live out their beings and try to play the smart guy throwing around with arguments they just absorbed, but rarely understand and misinterpret them as well as lacking the knowledge to further elaborate and support "their" arguments .
The common opinion on boards like this usually results in the few "non aligned" members being immediately treated like trolls and being accused as "foreign" fanboys. The collective eventually develops some sort of anti-attitude and rarely deals with the arguments brought forward by those not entirely aligned with the rest of the pabulum, but instead replies with a prepared set of answers and simply categorising people, instead of dealing with them and their arguments independently. Black and white thinking is the easiest way for the lazy human brain to scope with.

Are you describing yourself above? You hate the fact that the F-22 and F-35 are overwhelmingly superior to the EF so you come in and attack those planes regularly while gushing about the wonders of an obsolescent ECD.

For your information, this place and SP have way more Def Pros than Key and they don't put up with Euro or Russian fanboy trolls.

There's plenty of people from around the world there but it's true, they don't buy into the following myths that are the staple of Key:

1. LO isn't worth the money or other compromises

2. LO can be easily countered

3. Maneuverability and kinematics are anywhere near as important as LO and sensors.

4. The latest gizmo is going to make LO obsolete ie plasma stealth, IRST, "passive detection" "antistealth"

5. LO depends upon being absolutely invisible to all sensors at all times

6. OMG the almighty Typhoon is better than the F-22 in one minute part of the flight envelope! What a bunch of stupid Americans! Their plane obviously isn't worth the $

7. America is eveil and as an America-hating loser I want their planes to fail and foreign planes to succeed. My ultimate fantasy is for the foreign planes to roll back the tide of US led globalization that is changing MY country

Don't confuse BS with diversity of opinion.