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SAC was fun if you were in ADC on a SAC base...

we are on one side of town and malmstrom is on the other, so luckily we didn't have to deal with them. our nuke genies were stored there though....
so the old timers tell me Wink

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Does anybody remember the good ole SAC days around here? I remember the 5th FIS running their F-15's out of Minot AFB, ND. I remember when SAC owned the AF. 5th Bomb Wing "Death from above". They also failed their NSI, not cool. somebody is getting fired. Failing an NSI was a no no in SAC. Oh, btw guys, you know how we moved nukes back in the day of SAC... guess???

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Does anybody remember the good ole SAC days around here?

Ahh the drab bases, the bare metal hangers, the AP's with the SAC patch on the neck so professional at the gate. (unlike now) the elephant walks, the lock down drills, and my personal favorite, the Annual Easter peace protest at the front gate during the eighties. i guess you really can't call KC-135 scambles elephant walks but i remember watching those things take off every 30 seconds or so during the scramble! the air was black with soot for 20 min afterwards. boy i miss those days... Laughing

How could SAC be the good ole days???

Hell, I believe we thought we'd blow everyone up with nukes when SAC reigned supreme, Everyone adversary will be too scared to fight us because we got so many nukes. Whoops, no one told the N. Vietnamese.

Lets now rename the lead MAJCOM in the Air Force to UASC. Unmanned Air Surveillance Command, because if we need one more thing added to the kill chain it is each General with his own UAS staring at the battlefield with a lawyer.

Just think, when our potential adversaries realized we can have their pictures and videos posted on you tube within moments of their nefarious deeds, they'll think twice about using the bathroom. Wait... the SecDef probably wants cameras in thei bathrooms. I'm sure the SecDef is working on this plan as we type. Bang Head

I know we fighter guys have run the Air Force into the ground for too long... time for the drones.

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know we fighter guys have run the Air Force into the ground for too long... time for the drones.

Well Schwartz is no a fighter guy and his new deputy select is not a fighter guy. I think its about time some one other then fighter guys have a chance. Schwartz is a special ops guy, it will be interesting.

Lets see...where to begin...ahh yes fighter guys ruining the Air Force.
Many people probably think the Air Force is chasing bunny trails off the correct path to a properly equipped force. Why build the high tech low asset number aircraft when the war we are fighting now does not utilize these aircraft? What a waste of money they say. I believe Gates commented on the fact that no F-22 has been used in the current fight (could be wrong about attributing this to him). Why waste money on Air Planes we are never going to use? Why doesn't the Air Force help out the Army more in the current fight? Why doesn't the Air Force send their troops to the desert for 15 month tours like the Army? It's obvious, the Air Force doesn't care about the current fight, is lazy and only wants to waste money on advanced technology.
Forget the fact that the Army doesn't want to utilize any aircraft besides airlift, RQ/MQ-1's and MQ-9's and the A-10 and not even the A-10 really (to much collateral damage (too big of bombs) and can't really use DU rounds...too messy to clean up).
Forget the fact that other countries around the world are pursuing advanced fighters and missiles in regions where the US likes to have influence.
Forget the fact that most leaders in the Army say only foot soldiers on the ground are able to win a war and air power matters but a little... then state the lack of progress on the ground is due to the Air Force's lack of commitment (measured in lives lost and tour length) and its pursuit of frivolous aircraft.

YGBSM! Saying the Air Force isn't doing enough to help out flawed plan and siding with the Army (that doesn't utilize the Air Force assets provided) to complain the Air Force isn't doing enough is absolute BS. If anyone wants to argue the Army I'll give multiple examples of how the war is being fought. By the way you don't tally lives lost as a measure of commitment to a war nor length of tours. Nor do you measure success by the number of predator feeds each general is able to watch and control.

I don't know what type of leader Schwartz is going to be. But you've got to be sh!tting me if you think less technology and more prop driven UAV's is the direction the Air Force should take because wars of the future are going to be low intensity.

Copy, DORF thinks others should have a chance. I'm all about the right people having the ability to lead, not just someone else getting a chance. I'll reserve judgement on Schwartz, I don't know about him. I do know fighter guys are far from perfect (McPeak...anyone heard of that guy).
But everyone here should get this straight...its not just about this fight we are undertaking now. What we plan for, design, buy and build now will be the only equipment we have to meet an adversary in 10-15 years. We (the US) have to win this current fight but the leadership better not take their eye off of the adversaries of the future.

Consider how well will we do sending Predators, Reapers, Global Hawks, Tankers, Special Ops and Airlift into area's with advanced fighters and missiles with legacy fighters protecting them? Okay, even if we have the legacy fighters we always have better trained pilots right? (Just keep cutting the Air Force personnel and that wont happen)

Oh wait...this type of war will never happen again.....ever.

Hopefully Gen. Schwartz will guide the Air Force well and not be a yes man to misguided priorities. I need to quit typing angry. Evil or Very Mad

Awaiting spears... Twisted Evil

I give him credit, he is taking the responsilbility.

CSAF sends letter to all Airmen

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. T. Michael Moseley sends a final letter to all Airmen.

6/11/2008 - SAN ANTONIO (AFPN) -- Gen. T. Michael Moseley, the Air Force's 18th chief of staff, addresses members of the "strongest and finest Air Force the world has ever known," in his Letter to All Airmen.

LETTER TO ALL AIRMEN

It has been my highest honor to serve our great country as an Airman for almost 37 years. In peace and in war, I've had the privilege of serving alongside countless outstanding men and women -- Airmen, Soldiers, Sailors, Marines -- who have pledged themselves to our country's defense. I was honored and humbled to be appointed the Air Force's 18th chief of staff and have been proud to serve our Airmen, their families and the American people in that role. Upon taking the oath of office, I committed myself to Secretary Wynne and to the Air Force to ensure we provided the right forces at the right time so that our nation and its allies are victorious in the Global War on Terror and ready to meet future challenges. Working to fulfill that commitment and do the right thing for America and its Airmen, at a crucial point in history, has been the most rewarding experience of my life.

Given my pride in our service and its distinguished history, you can imagine how it pained me to read the recent report concerning lapses in the control of nuclear-related assets. The profession of arms is a demanding one, and the expectations are as high as the stakes of national security. As our service's senior uniformed leader, I take full responsibility for these events that have hurt the Air Force's reputation and wrongly raised questions about our commitment to our core values of Integrity First, Service Before Self and Excellence in All We Do. The nation places a sacred trust in its Airmen, and I have a deep personal belief that I am accountable for that trust. Therefore, the honorable thing for me to do is to step aside at this time. Secretary Gates has approved my request for retirement.

You are the strongest and finest Air Force the world has ever known. And you will do whatever is necessary to make the Air Force even stronger. Most importantly, you will continue waging and winning today's fight as part of the joint team, even as you take care of our Airmen and prepare for tomorrow's challenges. Before I depart the fix with an unceasing admiration of your devotion to our country, let me thank you one last time for all you do every day for the Air Force and our great nation. Jennie and I are immensely proud of having served with each and every one of you, and our hearts remain with you and our Air Force. I am an American Airman, and I always will be.

Fly, fight and win, now and forever!

F16guy wrote:

Lets see...where to begin...ahh yes fighter guys ruining the Air Force.
Many people probably think the Air Force is chasing bunny trails off the correct path to a properly equipped force. Why build the high tech low asset number aircraft when the war we are fighting now does not utilize these aircraft? What a waste of money they say. I believe Gates commented on the fact that no F-22 has been used in the current fight (could be wrong about attributing this to him). Why waste money on Air Planes we are never going to use? Why doesn't the Air Force help out the Army more in the current fight? Why doesn't the Air Force send their troops to the desert for 15 month tours like the Army? It's obvious, the Air Force doesn't care about the current fight, is lazy and only wants to waste money on advanced technology.
Forget the fact that the Army doesn't want to utilize any aircraft besides airlift, RQ/MQ-1's and MQ-9's and the A-10 and not even the A-10 really (to much collateral damage (too big of bombs) and can't really use DU rounds...too messy to clean up).
Forget the fact that other countries around the world are pursuing advanced fighters and missiles in regions where the US likes to have influence.
Forget the fact that most leaders in the Army say only foot soldiers on the ground are able to win a war and air power matters but a little... then state the lack of progress on the ground is due to the Air Force's lack of commitment (measured in lives lost and tour length) and its pursuit of frivolous aircraft.

YGBSM! Saying the Air Force isn't doing enough to help out flawed plan and siding with the Army (that doesn't utilize the Air Force assets provided) to complain the Air Force isn't doing enough is absolute BS. If anyone wants to argue the Army I'll give multiple examples of how the war is being fought. By the way you don't tally lives lost as a measure of commitment to a war nor length of tours. Nor do you measure success by the number of predator feeds each general is able to watch and control.

I don't know what type of leader Schwartz is going to be. But you've got to be sh!tting me if you think less technology and more prop driven UAV's is the direction the Air Force should take because wars of the future are going to be low intensity.

Copy, DORF thinks others should have a chance. I'm all about the right people having the ability to lead, not just someone else getting a chance. I'll reserve judgement on Schwartz, I don't know about him. I do know fighter guys are far from perfect (McPeak...anyone heard of that guy).
But everyone here should get this straight...its not just about this fight we are undertaking now. What we plan for, design, buy and build now will be the only equipment we have to meet an adversary in 10-15 years. We (the US) have to win this current fight but the leadership better not take their eye off of the adversaries of the future.

Consider how well will we do sending Predators, Reapers, Global Hawks, Tankers, Special Ops and Airlift into area's with advanced fighters and missiles with legacy fighters protecting them? Okay, even if we have the legacy fighters we always have better trained pilots right? (Just keep cutting the Air Force personnel and that wont happen)

Oh wait...this type of war will never happen again.....ever.

Hopefully Gen. Schwartz will guide the Air Force well and not be a yes man to misguided priorities. I need to quit typing angry. Evil or Very Mad

Awaiting spears... Twisted Evil

No spears from me, especially not one named Britney Wink

I agree with all you've said. Let's not forget WWI was referred to as "the war to end all wars." But fret not, one way or the other, a new administration will be in place by Jan. 20 of next year before Gates can inflict irrepairable damage on the USAF.

You may have taken some of what I posted in a way not intended. I do not agree that we should ignore the realities of the fighter force, heck I did fighter maintenance for 27 1/2 years, the other two and a half was a forced tour to bombers. You cannot put all your faith in drones, I believe we need the F-22 and 35 for what may be coming. I was at Bitburg in 76 when the first F-15s got there, its an old airframe. Granted the avionics are more modern but that only makes up for some of it. I also think the way the Air Force bought and is supporting the F-22 is wrong. You'll never take them to war with out a bunch of tech reps, they're the only ones that have access to all the needed tech data.
McPeak is the worse example of a Chief of Staff we ever had, if it wasn't a single seat fighter, it wasn't anything. The cuts in personnel, especially in aircraft maintenance is going in the wrong direction, and I'm in the minority saying the reorg back to maintenance in fighter squadrons is not the way to go. And you are right, its not this war. The U.S has always had a problem of fighting the last war and not planning properly for the next and you know the examples as well as I do. Actually I think Scwartz is a good pick because of who he is, not whether he's a fighter guy or special ops guy. You can get me going but I'll stop here.

McPeak was my PACAF commander back in 86, sux balute then... turned this AF into pink slip paper after the first Gulf war... from then on it's been doing more with less, force restructuring, BRACs, realignments, yadah, yadah, yadah. Lemay would have these cronies for lunch if he was still alive...

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You may have taken some of what I posted in a way not intended. I do not agree that we should ignore the realities of the fighter force, heck I did fighter maintenance for 27 1/2 years, the other two and a half was a forced tour to bombers. You cannot put all your faith in drones, I believe we need the F-22 and 35 for what may be coming. I was at Bitburg in 76 when the first F-15s got there, its an old airframe. Granted the avionics are more modern but that only makes up for some of it. I also think the way the Air Force bought and is supporting the F-22 is wrong. You'll never take them to war with out a bunch of tech reps, they're the only ones that have access to all the needed tech data.
McPeak is the worse example of a Chief of Staff we ever had, if it wasn't a single seat fighter, it wasn't anything. The cuts in personnel, especially in aircraft maintenance is going in the wrong direction, and I'm in the minority saying the reorg back to maintenance in fighter squadrons is not the way to go. And you are right, its not this war. The U.S has always had a problem of fighting the last war and not planning properly for the next and you know the examples as well as I do. Actually I think Scwartz is a good pick because of who he is, not whether he's a fighter guy or special ops guy. You can get me going but I'll stop here.

Dorf I do agree, I too was at Bitburg but from 81-84. And the one thing you said that really hit me in the heart was about war........We really as a nation have not been at war since Korea which is still not resolved. WWII was really the last war and folks from today have no idea what true war is. What we have now are conflicts, but we need to support just like it was a true war.

Maybe that is what we need as a country, a real war to unite us and our values to make this planet a better place to live..........

Purple

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