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Jukkaimaru wrote:

One thing in ID4 that surprised me: It seemed weird that the initial counterattack was by Marine Corps Bugs. I know F/A-18s are capable of air-to-air just as much as mud-moving but it just...seemed kinda weird to me that they were Marine planes instead of, say, Navy Bugs. Even more surprising was the second attack wave over Area 51 that was made up of Hornets, Tomcats, and what looked like A-4 Skyhawks. Considering Area 51 is a land base, shouldn't that big squadron have been made up of mostly USAF aircraft (Eagles, Vipers, what have you)?

All the stuff you listed and not anywhere did you list the most unreasonable thing to deal with. Seeing Lonestar lead the counter attack, that was just messed up.

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Jukkaimaru wrote:

isn't there some kind of locking system that prevents missiles from firing while the a/c is on the ground?

Don't know about misslies but there must be a procedure to bypass the WOW interlocks for test firing the gun on the ground. Or is that even done anymore? Question

pluto77189 wrote:

You guys have posted 10 pages and have forgotten about one of the "better done" dogfight scenes--at least that I remember, I saw it only once.

Air Force One.

That's the only F-15 movie I can remember.
I thought they did the final dogfight pretty well, except for the guy running into the missle intentionally...yeah right.

Too bad they had to switch FX houses last minute...the crash at the end was REALLY really bad.

The dogfight scene wasn't all that bad, but really, I think that the Fulcrum drivers could have shot that VC-25A down a thousand times over IRL. I mean, okay, it's supposed to have ca lot of countermeasures and stuff like that, but really, an 8-ship of front-line fighters failing to shoot down an upgraded airliner?

Lawman wrote:

All the stuff you listed and not anywhere did you list the most unreasonable thing to deal with. Seeing Lonestar lead the counter attack, that was just messed up.

Spaceballs = greatest science fiction parody of all time.

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Spaceballs = greatest science fiction parody of all time

Was that the one with "Stella Cellophane" ???

Don't remember that name, but I do remember "Pizza the Hutt".

"Or else what?"

"Or else...Pizza's gonna send out for YOU!"

Laughing

"Careful! Careful! I said across her nose, not UP it!"
"Sorry Sir, I'm trying my best!"
"Who made that man a gunner?"
"I did Sir, he's my cousin."
"Who's that man?"
"He's an @$$hole, Sir, Major @$$hole."
"I KNOW THAT! What's his name?"
"That is his name, Sir, Major @$$hole."
"Well who is that guy?"
"That's his cousin, Sir, Gunners Mate 2nd Class Phillip @$$hole."
"How many @$$holes do I have on this ship anyhow?"
"YO!"
"I knew it, I'm surrounded by @$$holes."
"KEEP FIRING @$$HOLES!!!"

Oh man, I could go on about Spaceballs for a LONG time! Greatest Sci-Fi, next to ALIEN of course!

..."In Lackland, er, Space, NO one can hear you scream."

Despite the interesting stories in JAG, I found most annoying is the action sequences are ripped from other movies and documentaries. (The worst case was a footage from a documentary and they just made the footage dark and added tracer fire with sound...Shocker).

I recall one scene they stole was directly from Clear and Present Danger, where the bad guys used RPGs on that US convoy of 4WDs.

Another bit is when Harm and Mac "borrowed" an Su-27...Riight, I just saw that very scene on the Disovery Channel, 20min ago!

In that old movie, Flight of the Black Angel, the "bad" pilot was flying as Aggressor during training missions. (He flew a Kfir and NOT a Viper...Kfirs were loaned to USAF and designated F-21).

The main character and his trainees were flying F-16s. The bad guy killed both trainees and in the end, the main character was forced to ram his Viper into the Kfir carrying the nuke, because he didn't have any weapons. Notice how both aircraft were used in Iron Eagle I and II as well. (Yes, that's right, Flight of the Black Angel stole the footage from Iron Eagle.)

One other side fact...Do you realise the Director of "Flight of the Black Angel" is the same guy that did T3: Rise of the machines?! No wonder T3 didn't feel right! HAHAHahaha!

The worst has to be that Steven Seagal film, Executive Decision, F-117 is a transport that can hold 10 people...Riiiight.

I think the most funny is Iron Eagle II...When a Sidewinder fired from an F-4 Phantom (in the movie as MiG-29), and goes into a vent shaft...Results in complete destruction of the nuclear facility! If Sidewinders were this destructive, you wouldn't need LGBs or bunker busting weapons. Smile

*sarcasm*
The best HUD scene in a movie has to be Hot Shots, where they have Donkey Kong jumping around and using its fists pounding as a lock-on symbology.
*sarcasm*

If anyone is interested in Japanese Anime...There's one called Macross Zero...

You have to watch the first 15min of Episode 1.

It has CGI based F-14s against MiG-29s (with a touch of cartoonish bits)...But its far superior than any Hollywood footage...

The missile launches (AMRAAMs and Sidewinders) are done pretty well and some scenes require a little bit of slow motion action to see the details usually missed.

The animation involved alot of research in weapons and such, and seems alot of effort was put in (they worked with the Japanese air force to get things right...Compared to the halfarsed efforts of Hollywood.)

Independence Day was the biggest joke...As if the F/A-18 is the only plane in the inventory. Where's the others? Why the heck would you use oversized AAMs on a UFO that's bloody HUGE!

And on the technical computing side...As if Geoff Goldblum's notebook recognised the alien's transmission protocol to upload a virus...Riight, the universe uses TCP/IP as THE protocol for data transmission...Who the heck thinks up this crap!

And then Godzilla...Lord help us all...And for the last time...Apaches have just a chain gun...WTF is this twin gun BS?

OK...Wait...Do you guys and gals remember that movie "Jewel of the Nile"? Where Michael Douglas and Kathleen Turner stole a fighter that appears to be a Hollywood-proped F-16? Except the canopy was all wrong and the missiles look like training rounds or fireworks.

A movie that was OK would be Firebirds...Mr Cage, Tommy Lee Jones and Sean Young, Army Apaches and Kiowas...At least they moved when under fire. Smile

'Ive seen Macross Zero.... its friggen Insanely cool. The whole Transforming Jet thing is just awesome. Of Course I remember the Original Macross from when I was a kid so thats part of the reason I like it.

I grew up watching Robotech too, I wanted to be a Veritech pilot when I grew up Cool

. I went nuts when I found the Macross Saga DVD set. . .

Ha! I knew it! Some Japanese Anime aviation/mecha fans! Smile

Yeah, Macross is the original series, and Robotech is the western version where they combined 3 different stories into one. The reason for this was because Macross was not long enough (not enough episodes) to meet western TV standards...Have you guys seen Robotech 2? It was only 3 episodes before they canned it...It just shows when Admiral Rick Hunter and Co. goes to space.

Its interesting to see Robotech restrict human diversity to space be very limited to just one planet, whereas in Macross, humans are stationed everywhere.

So far, I like Macross Plus and Macross Zero. Their replication of dogfighting in Anime and CGI is FAR superior than what Hollywood can come up with. You can see their research has paid off in the incredible dogfight scenes...I do agree, when they showed the first CGI based transformation of the VF-0 is quite incredible. (VF-0 is a conventional engine version with rather limited range, VF-1 Valkyre has the much improved "nuclear" engines with unlimited range and became the main fighter in Space War I with the aliens...50ft humanoids...)

I've got parts 1 to 3 of Macross Zero...The story is a bit confusing and results in the viewer asking alot of questions that seems to be answered later...Its too bad these awesome ones are short. Macross Plus was 4 episodes, and Macross Zero is 5.

BTW, my brother still has the original Macross toy we bought in the 1970s from Japan. Its a bit more "clanky" now with some areas worn and bit loose. But its the original VF-1 Valkyre.

Independence Day was the biggest [Link pending approval] if the F/A-18 is the only plane in the inventory. Where's the others? Why the heck would you use oversized AAMs on a UFO that's bloody HUGE!

And on the technical computing [Link pending approval] if Geoff Goldblum's notebook recognised the alien's transmission protocol to upload a [Link pending approval], the universe uses TCP/IP as THE protocol for data [Link pending approval] the heck thinks up this crap!

And then [Link pending approval] help us [Link pending approval] for the last [Link pending approval] have just a chain [Link pending approval] is this twin gun BS?

Oh, come on. They were pure entertainment. So what if you have to suspend so much disbelief, you risk putting yourself into a comatose [Link pending approval]

Actually, if you look close, you see there are F-14's and Harriers in the flights. They just did not include them in action scenes, just ground shots and flying scenes. Plus there were F-16's on the ground.

I guess Air to ground weapons weren't cool enough, but the public doesn't care about the logistics of using a weapon with a 25lb warhead against something the size of a [Link pending approval]

The apaches were "modified" in the movie. I remember seeing toys that had the twin guns. Really, how fun would it have been to see them just sitting still blasting [Link pending approval] nevermnid the practicality of a fixed gun on a [Link pending approval]

The ONE thing I have against this stuff in movies(I liked ID and Godzilla) is that it REALLY dumbs dowen the public. [Link pending approval] an AIM-9 will NOT take out the top of the chrystler building, a dozen harpoons exploding in something as big as godzilla would have given the movie an R rating, and made a terrible mess--even worse than that whale that exploded in the streets of Bangcock(?) last month.

One thing that is often UNDERRATED in Hollywood, over and over, is the M61 and it's derivitaves. Iron Eagle, top gun, Independance Day, etc. etc. [Link pending approval] insulting to all those that worked on project vulcan in the 50's!

People have the general idea that it's just a machine gun.

At least Ridley Scott gave the gattling gun the respect it was due in black hawk down. I think the miniguns in that movie killed more people than have died in all other hollywood movies(nuclear/alien destruction excepted, of course)

Bangkok

Entertainment? If I want entertainment I'll go to a strip joint. Its far better use of money. Smile

Aside from a few movies that actually get the military to help on some scenes, most movies are a bit of a joke when it comes military related equipment and capability.

The thing that eats me about TOP GUN is despite all that training...The Navy pilots never used their gun!...Yeah, I know they switched to guns, but they never fired a shot...Ironically, you'll notice one of the Instructors mention pilots become totally dependent on missiles. (Its while they were watching gun camera footage from Vietnam.)

True dat Stmok, I thought the same thing when I saw the movie. The only dudes that used their guns were the bad guys.

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