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Ender_Wiggin wrote:
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looks like it was the squadron bird... damn

Dunno why, but that thing looks Photoshopped, i swear that tail is a lot bigger than that.. Overall though, it is a sad ordeal, having been there crewing Vipers, them coming back was something we always were positive about.



The front section of the tail is broken off

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Thank you, e6bill! I posted my message to Tonya Fennell, CNJ staff writer (tonya_fennell@link.freedom.com).
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God bless and God speed!

I hope they can find out what actually happened...
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Here is the video that I am guessing was shot just shortly after the jet crashed, the end of it is kinda graphic so be prepared, it shows the body of the pilot bloodied and motionless.

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James3201 wrote:
Here is the video that I am guessing was shot just shortly after the jet crashed, the end of it is kinda graphic so be prepared, it shows the body of the pilot bloodied and motionless.

A newbie and not off to a great start, James. Posting this link is not only disrespectful to the pilot, but his family, squadron mates, etc. I will reserve any further comment and leave the rest to the men and women who bust their butts day in and day out to serve this country.

My thoughts and prayers are with the family, the men and women of the 27th FW and the community of Clovis, NM.

I hope the mods remove this link.


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I agree, this is NOT the news I wish to read or see..it is disgraceful that such folks take the time to capture it on film. I agree, this is not news I wish to see displayed on this forum, it is disgusting to display any person defending their country in such a manner. Please remove those links as a common consideration to all that knew him and his family...it is just crap the enemy loves to use.

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CNN is now reporting that the pilot's body is 'missing'. Seems a safe assumption that the insurgents took it with them before the US forces arrived to secure the crash site.

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CNN wrote:
BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The U.S. military said Tuesday it has not found the pilot of an Air Force fighter jet a day after it crashed in Iraq.

The pilot, who officials have not named, has been classified as "duty status and whereabouts unknown," said Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, who spoke at a Tuesday news conference. Coalition aircraft reported that insurgents were in the vicinity of the crash site at the time the jet went down.

U.S. Central Command Air Forces said the recovery of the pilot is among its "primary concerns," according to a news release distributed Tuesday. (Watch charred and smoking wreckage that is purported to be of the crashed jet )

"The pilot was not found at the crash site, and his status cannot be confirmed at this time," the Air Force statement said. "The investigation board has collected DNA samples from the crash site and will release results upon completion of testing."

The Air Force F-16CG fighter jet crashed Monday outside of Baghdad while flying on a low-level "strafing run" -- firing on targets on the ground at a low altitude -- a U.S. military official in Baghdad said.

"Coalition reconnaissance assets and fighter aircraft were overhead when the crash occurred and confirmed that insurgents were in the vicinity of the crash site immediately following the crash," the statement said. "Ground forces secured the crash scene Monday, as soon as the combat operations in the area ceased."

The aircraft was carrying one pilot when it went down at 1:35 p.m. (5:35 a.m. ET) about 20 miles northwest of the Iraqi capital, according to a U.S. military statement. Immediately following the crash, the military did not say if the pilot survived.

The cause of the crash is under investigation.

A Pentagon source said the plane was operating near Falluja, which is about 30 miles west of Baghdad.

Al-Jazeera, the Middle East-based television news network, has aired video showing what it said was the smoldering wreckage of the F-16. The video shows pieces of the aircraft including the tail which displays the aircraft's number and an "Air Combat Command" logo.

It said the video was shot in Karma, which is about nine miles (15 kilometers) northeast of Falluja.

Mohammed Al-Obeidi, an Iraqi who lives in the nearby town of Karmah, told The Associated Press he saw the jet flying up and down erratically before it nose-dived and exploded in a farm field.

He said other U.S. warplanes rushed to the crash site and were circling around it.

The F-16 was deployed to the 332nd Air Expeditionary Wing at Balad Air Base, Iraq.

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Thanks for removing the links that showed the crash site, it was in bad taste (in my opinion) to have them posted - thank you for removing them - as a USAF Retiree, I other USAF members past and present are grateful you removed them.

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I second Meathook's last post. Thanks for removing it, this site has too much class for that to be on here. Evil or Very Mad

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Here's the lates from the Clovis News Journal...

Clovis News Journal wrote:
By Tonya Fennell and Sharna Johnson: CNJ Staff Writers

CANNON AIR FORCE BASE — An F-16 that crashed Monday in Iraq was from Cannon Air Force Base, but base officials said the plane’s pilot was not from Cannon. “All of our Cannon pilots are accounted for,” said Cannon Public Information Officer Capt. Rebecca Garcia.

Garcia said she had no information about the pilot’s fate or the cause of the crash, which occurred about 20 miles northwest of Baghdad in a mission supporting coalition ground combat operations.

Garcia referred questions regarding the pilot’s home station to the 9th Air Force, which serves as the U.S. Air Forces, U.S. Central Command. Officials from the 9th Air Force could not be reached Monday evening.

Part of the 27th Fighter Wing from Cannon, the 524th Fighter Squadron has operated from Balad Air Base in Iraq since being deployed in September, Cannon officials said.

Garcia said she could not address troop numbers for security reasons.
Base officials confirmed Cannon markings were apparent on news photos and television images that showed sections of the single-pilot aircraft.

Garcia said she was not familiar with procedures in Iraq and could not answer why a non-Cannon pilot would be flying a Cannon jet. She said at Cannon they try to associate one pilot with one aircraft. However, she said Cannon pilots do fly different aircraft at the base all the time, mostly when mechanical problems arise with their assigned aircraft.

The crash occurred at 3:30 a.m. New Mexico time in an uninhabited field in the Anbar province, nine miles north of Fallujah, according to Capt. Tiffany Payette of the Central Command Air Force Public Affairs office.

“There is no indication of injuries on the ground,” Payette said, “but the status of the pilot is unknown.”

Mohammed Al-Obeidi, who lives in the nearby town of Karmah, said by telephone he saw the jet flying up and down erratically before it nose-dived and exploded in a field. He said other U.S. warplanes rushed to the area and circled above the wreckage.

Al-Jazeera television showed videotape of the wreckage in a field and what appeared to be portions of a tangled parachute nearby; the broadcaster said the video included scenes of a dead pilot but they were too graphic to air.
Cannon has lost seven F-16s in crashes since 1997, according to newspaper records.

The last crash involving an F-16 from Cannon was Sept. 10, 2002, about 50 miles west of the base during a routine training mission. The pilot was killed.
Cannon officials said they could not confirm date and circumstances of the last Cannon F-16 crash before Monday.

The Associated Press contributed to this story


Source http://www.cnjonline.com/engine.pl?station=clovis&template=storyfull.html&id=26645[/url]

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WoW...this could propaganda at an all new "high". I hope this guy (US pilot) was recovered.

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I hope this guy (US pilot) was recovered


Unfortunatly that's not the case. Think about it, if he was recovered, it would be all over the news. Maybe it's better this way than being captured and executed subsequently by the insurgents.

There's one question that buggs me since I heard about the conditions of the crash - MANPAD? He was on a strafing run - that means inside MANPAD envelope. Erratic flying up and down could be caused by damage in the tail area. Any opinions?

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Surely it can be a MANPADS (aka shoulder-launched anti-aircraft missiles). Look for 'gulf war electronic order of battle' on Google. You'll see that, back in 1991, most losses were due to IR-guided ('heat seeking') missiles. Consider you're flying @500 m (ca. 1600 ft) altitude. The SA-7, one of the most common MANPADS available, flies at sppeds near 600 m/s (1700 fps). The pilot (or the Viper self-defense systems) would have less than a second to react! That's why MANPADS are so deadly if you get within its lethal range. And that's why pilots are told to fly at 5000+ m (ca. 16000+ ft) altitude, this way they get out of kill range of most SAM (Surface to Air Missiles) and AAA (Triple-A, Anti-Aircraft Artillery) systems.

May G-d bless the family and buddies of the pilot. My sincere condolences to them and to his buddies.

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Hi to all of you and regrets for the F-16 pilot, surely he was a great man.

I have a doubt: SMALL ARMS FIRE?!?!? Let’s say a VERY VERY LUCKY ak-47 round: I’m a mechanical engineer: if someone shot a burst from his assault rifle in front of the fighter jet, the rounds are travelling at an average speed of 500 m/s (depending on range), the airplane at least 200 m/s: sum at least 700 m/s against aluminium (it’s an F-16 not the A-10)!… it hits the electric lines or the pilot and that’s ALL! The airplane goes up and down till it crash.
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